I agree - the review is very helpful and portrays the dread elves as good and viable, with a few disappointing choices compared to the changes some other armies got.

I am tending toward the second one... partly because I don't trust my skill level / experience with the MSU.

Do you think I have enough chaff in the second list? I am thinking of dropping the blades of nabh for some dark riders / small RXbow units.

Tower guard with the Banner of Blood helps against higher T enemies (re-rolls 1s & 2s to wound), but probably still won't do better than executioners against T6+. I have the same conundrum. I am building a list with blades of nabh in it already, which deal with hordes well, which is the forte of...

Regarding your lord, if you combine the Potion of strength, giant blade and cloak of twilight, you'll have a very formidable vampire killing machine, hitting on 3's, wounding on 2's0and doing multiple wounds on your way through. Drop the potion for a divine icon and you'll force a re-roll on his sav...

I have only had 2 games of T9A so far, but have signed up for a 2500 pt tournament. Keen for as much guidance as you can offer. Of the two lists, the first is MSU, where I'll be looking to win by killing all the enemies chaff, and avoiding their combat blocks. Second list is all about having good co...

Thanks for your thoughts all. We play 1500 on a 4 x 4, 2400 on a 6 x 4. So I don't think I'll get cramped. About the reapers - they aren't that exposed really. This army will win the chaff war. Still I don't bunch them up, so one enemy unit can't kill more than one at a time. So either they've attra...

Recently I had a couple of 1500 games to help them prep for a tournament. Being smaller then my usual games, I was able to make an "evasion list". Peg lord 1+ rerollable, 4+ ward Peg master, bsb, cloak of twilight, 1+ 4 x 5 dark riders, shields xbows, musn 3 reaper bolt throwers 2 x 5 warl...

I find that a good 2400 has - 30 witches 30 execs 10 coks Dark riders and shades to taste 2 x 5 warlocks 3-4 reapers Characters 2 of your choice - general & bsb I use that as a kinda template. I find that anything that relies on magic buffs (bg) is a bad plan as magic is unreliable. Units less t...

I see it differently, but take what u say on board. The advantages of light council AND cob are: 1. Phas protection on cob against cannons. As these lists have few drops, more likely to get a magic phase before they get a shooting phase 2. The sig spell is good for clearing the chaff infrotofthe cob...

Advice for tweaks on the following list if you could please? Tournament where I expect to see lots of cannons, lots of frost pheonixes, and am relying on pha's protection to keep me safe and banishment to remove the worst of the rest. Level 4, 4++, dispel scroll, Lore of light 2 x level 1, lore of l...

Absolutely awesome threads. Thx so much!!!

I've noticed a lot of mentions of "MSU" and of the "two towers" lists. But I can't find a description nor guide for how to make them work. Could someone post a link? Or failing that - outline a "typical" MSU dark elf list - explain the benefit of the bloodwrack shrine a...

I have had a foray into using orcs n goblins, and have become frustrated, so am back with my true WHFB love. I have a 2200 tourn coming up. No watchtower scenario, so no need for a 20 strong unit. I have most model choices from the army. I want mobility, after struggling with lots of hordes of 25mm ...

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned simply frenzy- baiting it. Harpie/ dark riders inside charge range, so they'll get charged and the witches over-run. Even with a central deployment, doing this twice should put it pretty badly out of position, or at least expose a flank. The good news is that ...

If the meta is death stars and cannons, how do you keep the cob from being cannoned to death?

I've played two games with the witch horde... It is incredible. But I doubt my opponents will be shooting at anything else with their cannons from now on.

@Ichiyo - what unit sizes do you use? Multiple small units style? Like 2 x 5 dark riders; 3 x 10 witches; 1 x 10 COK; 1 x 20 Execs; 2 x 5 warlocks?
Or bigger units like 30 witches; 30 execs; 10 COK; 3 x 5 fast cav ?

I thought to provide an update... I had two games over the weekend. Both had the double combat block - 30 witches, 30 executioners. The COB was with the witches. Supported by a chariot, hydra, 3 reaper bolt throwers, 2 dark riders units, warlocks, 5 shades and led by a peg sorceress (dark). I won bo...

Option 3, dropping the executioners for 10 cold one knights? Thanks heaps for your input, much appreciated. Also considering metal as a lore.. does a bit of both offence (searing doom, final transmutation), defence (glittering robe) and helps deal with the problematic 1+ (plague of rust). Good range...

The uses for all of these are varied. My list uses only witches and dark riders for core... But Bleak swords or dark shards make a decent bunker for a sorceress. Big blocks of spears are the anvil unit.... but the unit costs too much for what it does in my opinion. Why have an anvil when you can red...

For the price of a master on dark peg w cloak, u can get 2 masters on dark steed and 1+ save. Warlocks are also good. Send all of the above in the area, and with the right positioning you may be able to induce a failed charge where his "cheap labor" blocks line of sight to your desirable t...

I agree with pretty much Omnichron said. My fave units are executioners, Cold on knights, cold one chariots & warlocks. But I rarely fit both executioners and cold one knights in the same list, so if I had budget issues, wouldn't want to buy both. But even after playing a dozen or so games can't...

I have a discussion in the discussion section where I mention my 7 game losing streak. Based on the conversation and my experience I have the following draft list. I seek your input in refining it. It is an all-comers list, but I expect I'll be facing plenty of 1+ and cav, ogres and skaven contrapti...

I was Morathi's biggest fan, and maybe she is better in bigger games, but in 2000pts she performed poorly for me. Maybe my opponents were particularly good at shutting her down. But she killed about 10 elves and 3 ogres in 4 games, total. And 8 of those elves died to anzipals when she miscast on tur...

Thanks for all the thoughts. Calisson, I am not sure I understand your algorithm in regard to the bolt thrower say skullcrushers for example T+W = 7, minus armour save of 1 = 6 therefore single shot. Chaos troll, T+W= 7, minus armour save (6) armour save = 1, therefore multishot? In the games I have...

I place my drops in this order: RXbows, dark riders, dark riders, warlocks, bolt throwers, witches, whatever is left, reacting to other guys deployment. My goal is to have his army come at me piece meal, so I can focus on it one or two units at a time.