The initial S6 will still kill both on 2+... Nope. Most of the heavy cavalry out there is S3, just like COKs, so T4 does make a big difference against S5 in a charge, compared to T3. Errr...I was talking about bolt throwers...which is what I thought we were talking about before that...but inner cir...

Pssst! Nobody told you? COKs are T3, not T4. The initial S6 will still kill both on 2+... I meant the other core units. 5 points for a marauder is very cheap. You don't need to buy chaos warriors onyl. Note that we are discussing battle prowess, not models. And if you don't like marauders, you can ...

WRONG. You test to OVERCOME, not to see if you are affected. Therefore you start the game Stupid (these are the EXACT words of the rules!). Yes, those are the words, but that does not mean that it is the rule. Most rules include some kind of description before they get on to the hard and fast secti...

Errr...you many have noticed that the downsides of stupidity only apply *after* you have failed a stupidity check.

At the start of the game you haven't failed a test.

10 out of 10 for effort, though.

The one big problem that Tzeentch has compared to the other chaos gods is the lack of protection from psychology. If you can use you cold ones, shooting (reapers being very handy) and dark riders to force as many Ld tests as possible (or go for the outnumbering auto-break with COK's) you should win ...

And now, they'll be even more of a pain for them, I'm afraid. But I'm specially interested in this new rule; does it also affects character near units, in that they won't be able to be targeted by cannonballs from then on? If so, that is good news for us. I've got to check this out myself - I heard...

I normally use 50pt per model cavalry, I think I can put up with it Sure, but they are 1+AS, WS5 (as COKs), but also S5 AND T4. I'd say that means quite a difference... Yes, it does. But those knights die just as easily to a single bolt as COK's... But the rest are actually quite cheap. And they ar...

I would hardly call Khemri shooty. they have bows...but they won't hit that much (even if they do fire twice). Hmmmm, fire twice at S3, hitting on 5+ ALWAYS. Uhhhh, sounds like Dark Elves... but better! The only time we hit on a 5+ is at short range or if we didn't move. (Can you imagine Khemri sho...

Well, now think that you had your heavy cavalry and chariots as special, and they were stupid and caused fear, for 5 points more than it costs now. Which choice would you take? This is what DE players have as special units! I normally use 50pt per model cavalry, I think I can put up with it I don't...

Then it struck me how a Cannon would ignore all of those restrictions and could target Ratling Guns and Warplock Engineers quite easily. A Cannon is cheaper than a RBT, too. Before you go and splash out, you many want to look up the revised cannon rules in the annual 2003. As you now have to shoot ...

And on a seperate note, you may want to check the new annual about shooting ratlings with cannons - it may not be possible any more. Mmmmm? So now also the empire and dwarves armies have the same that elvish armies have? I think I confused. I was thinking of the Baron and his cannon post, not you. ...

Then, we are right to not to like at all the stupidity test or a mean to counter it, don't you think? And no, adding a 200+ highborn is ot a way to counter it, just a way to make the unit more heavy hitting, if you don't fail the Ld test on the charge! Personally, I would put him in there. I have a...

About COKs having a character accompanying them, well, how many special units in your chaos army do you field with your lord inside of them? I'll tell you, none. Because special are daemons, beastmen, etc. Your cavalry and chariots are core. I won't dare place a character in a DE core unit, too ris...

Can I have Ld10 lords too? Your lord works a lot different than an elf one. He's a hand to hand monster! Much more so than the dark elf one, but only (right only) leadership 9. If we made him leadership 10 I don't know what he should cost, and the expense would get silly, so that would be difficult...

Because the bigger units most people tend to use make the DE slower t owheel, manoeuver, etc, which I see as a real disadvantage. Since DE are about manoeuvering, they must be able to do so, even infantry. I wouldn't say an extra rank makes them much slower, but each to his own. About small units, ...

Therefore, you are completely and utterly unqualified to be making any judgements whatsoever on the Skaven army. This makes me question just about everything else you are making judgements about. I see. So the fact that I've played against other armies with similar tactics (such as empire) means no...

farke wrote:You don't see Clanrats costing 29 pts apiece do you? You don't see Clanrats being Stupid, du you?

Well, M7 and multiple (11 without a hero/lord) S4+ attacks on the charge do help to boost up the points.

2+ save is nice too

How much does a clanrat cost? If you give them spears, 6 points each. How much does a warrior cost? With shields, 10 points each. What's the leadership on my warrior? That's right, 8. And I pay a lot more. Fair point. but DE have Ld8 all the time, and have a fairly pathetic WS4. Dark elves pay more...

Cold one knights are too unreliable with Ld8... ...but Skaven are too reliable with Ld8... Hmmm. Don't do that. First you tell me not to compare units of different armies, then you go wild with this... Well, I wasn't actually trying to compare units. I was merely pointing out that the dice rolls ar...

Cold one knights are too unreliable with Ld8...

...but Skaven are too reliable with Ld8...

Hmmm.

I have actually written a BR in the BR section, if you'd like to read it, so you can know how I play. After reading it, just tell me what can theis kind of army do that any other army cannot do better. As you'll be able to see, I resorted to every little trick I can think of to beat my opponent, bu...

Actually, looking at the recent poll we had, most DE players prefer to keep their Sorceress mobile on Dark Steed or Dark Pegasus and I don't wonder. You don't wonder about what? I suppose if you make extensive use of cavalry, mounting them on steeds is a good plan. But on foot they are easy to hide...

Rork: To your original question "What is good about the Dark Elves" 1) We have awesome miniatures 2) We have great fluff (Evil Elves - how cool is that?!) 3) We require skill to win ...Actually I'm dismayed that that was all I could come up with! Now onto things that I do not consider strenghts: I ...

Surely you won't be thinking of using stuff like chill wind and doom bolt vs horde armies. They are simply ineffective. Black horror? In their skirmish formation you're unlikely to catch many of them. But you don't need to. Panic can really spoil their day. Poor leadership? So what? All I need is o...

Handful of models? I don't get quite what you mean when skaven gets machines that can't be targeted like the ratling guns, high power weapons that can skirmish, war machines that can fire without line of sight.........and poison wind gobs. I can't really see its a handful. Its MANY. Question: do ra...