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Well, wasn´t that a game, one must admit, the Netherlands played really good and Italy couldn´t keep up to what one is used to see from them.

Group C is now going to be very interesting, Italy has to fight hard to make it into the quarters...

About that first goal: It wasn´t offside, there is a strange rule that says that a player off the field is still taken into consideration for an offside position and one of the Italian players layed just behind the ground line.
Strange rule though.

But i daresay that the Netherlands deserved to win after what they showed.
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I'm not saying Netherlands didn't deserve the win, just that being down 2-0 in 5 mins is a bit of a mind shocker. IE the game wouldve been way different.

Also, if ESPN is reading the rules correctly, it says DELIBERATELY in the ruling. I dare say Panucii didn't get tackled by his own keeper deliberately!

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So, sad display from France's potential in today's game against Romania. We're going to have a tough time getting through if we keep playing like this. I think Riberry played brilliantly as usual, but the whole Benzema-Anelka thing didn't work too well. Defence was great as usal, though i'm supprised Viera didn't play. Its not a loss, but it should have been a win.

As for the other game, all i can say is Forzza Italia!

Reall though, Netherlands's counters were great, as well as possesion. They deserved to win.

As expected, group C is proving to be the most interesting of the groups.

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Agreed on the mind-shocker, it must be really devastating the outcome could have been different.

I also expected to see more from France, Ribbery was good, but all on his own, Romania stood too tight and Benzema and Anelka played even worse than Luca Toni, who was very unfortunate.

Man of the day, for me, was Sneijder, his first half was absolutely brilliant.
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Man of the day for me... hmm... interesting... Del Piero just because hes my favorite! Oldie who rocks at set plays, damn right!

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Go Oranje :D

Definitely not offside btw - weird rule as it is: if the player didn't leave the field of play with the referee's permission, for the sake of the offside rule he counts as standing on the goal line.

Edit: Also could have been more for us if not for a dodgy call - one clearly onside attack was flagged offside, would have left RVP one on one if play had continued.
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After watching that France Romania game I can actually easily seen The Azzurii and Netherlands making it past group play!

BTW can anyone guess where I got my name from? Its a hard one I know haha...

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p.s. I wasn't wearing my Pirlo jersey... thats why they lost
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Agreed - difficult to see France picking themselves up for the next game; they looked utterly disinterested.
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GO HOLLAND!!! :D
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Im no expert, but im happily surprised that The Netherlands did so well :) didnt even watch the game, but from what i heard they deserved it, which counts for more then goals imho ^^ good luck to all the countries you guys support :D
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I was pretty impressed by Holland although maybe it was because Italy was so horrible but it was the best match so far.
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My original bets placed Germany and Italy in the final, but after today's 3-0 disaster I'm not so sure about the Azurri. Still, it's only one match, way too early to count anybody out.
Here ( in Poland ) hopes were high, as the team seemed to be doing rather well, but then Germany came along :( I guess such teams as Germany, Italy or Holland are still way out of our league.
Good luck to all the teams you support and see you here after tomorrow's games!
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I still have some faith in the Azzurii! Just gotta make it past Romania and France which is quite doable after what I've seen (and Toni has got to hit one of those shots eventually! That lob was just plain disappointing though!)

As for the rest of the Group C Games... I'm thinking

Italy-Romania 1-0 Italy wins
Italy France 2-1. Itally wins!

Ya, quite hopeful I know but meh, I can live with it!

Also, does anyone know why Trezique (spelling? sounds like trez a gay) isn't on the French roster? One of the best strikers currently playing the game and he somehow didn't make the national team?
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Go Romania! Go Holland! I'm especially excited by Holland's performance, despite the arguable off-side goal they got. Today's matches prove that both France and Italy need a lot of gearing up, that they are in a sort of intergenerational phase full of identity crises. Apparently, the loss of the likes of Zidane and Totti respectively have a lot of impact.
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Go ROMANIA!!! Go ROMANIA!!! Go ROMANIA!!!
Azure, no offense mate, but how many times did Italy get lucky the previous years? Not to mention catenaccio-a horrible display of pragmatism (which btw is what Romania tried against France). Dude, you guys have played catenaccio so long you actualy forgot how to play footbal, and there is no more Inzaghi to save you. :)
And with France, history repeated itself. France is like Germany some years ago. they are down and Domenech is not a coach, he decides the first eleven by reading the horoscopes for the day. And Romania (mainly the coach) was afraid of playing today. We were afraid of the name France. It wouldn't surprise me if France would go home with only one point. If our coach and football players manage to keep a good morale, they can actually play some amazing football (check youtube for Romania- Germany 5-1 a few years ago-same team same coach to see what i mean).
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Don't get me wrong Drizzt, I dont think we shouldve won that game. At all. They played like crap. Whether or not I think they would've played better if that first goal hadn't happened... well yes I do but thats neither here nor there. It was a hard fought won for the Netherlands. I just hope The Azzurri can figure it out and fix what went wrong.

I must say, I do miss Inzaghi... curse all my favorites getting old! Buffon or Cannavaro will be next and I will cry! Or Del Piero though he is the David Beckham of Italy. Good for set plays until the end of time.

I'll end this by saying I would love to see Romania and Italia make it out of Group C... its up to you guys to beat those Dutch alright? We'll handle the french just like we did in the World Cup... (well not exactly as there isn't any shootouts...)

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:), My impressions, after both games, are that the italians will try to muscle us from the beginning. But you know what, this is how Romania lost most of the times against Italy. We tried to muscle you guys, and we lost on your counter attack. This time, i think, it will be the other way around. We shall wait and see if the romanians can play catenaccio, or if the italians can actually play something else than catenaccio.
For us, the biggest problems are the frustrations. When you want to make an analisys of our team, you analyze the Romanian mentality. And believe me, 50 years of comunism and 20 years of undercover comunism, destroyed our spirit. We are a frustrated nation (look at the poles or the serbs, they are in the same situations as us. or the hungarians.comunism messed us up for generations). What most of the ppl saw yesterday was the ugliest game in this Euro Cup-Romania-France. What romanians saw yesterday? This:
-there were 10.000 romanian supporters on that stadium singing 90 minutes (only 2.500 tickets were given to our federation). This means we are not poor anymore. And we are not afraid and ashamed of being romanians and of saying and showing that we are romanians.
- It is the first official game when the romanian supporters didn't use bad words--we are getting civilised.
-have u seen the romanian football players singing our anthem? this is the first game i saw a romanian football team singing the anthem. normally they shut up or fake it. And the way they sang it-unity. Romania in 94 was a generation of briliant individual players, not a team, This generation is a team and unity is our strength.
-our players stopped playing theater on the field, and falling by themselves in order to beg for a kick. And we stopped arguing with the referee and the opponents. Our mentality is changing. Finaly.
The game was ugly because we made it ugly. Not because the french played bad. We killed the game on purpose. Why? It is related to our frustrations. For 36 years France beat us wherever, whenever. Another coach would have attacked France from minute 1. Attacks in waves. That's frustration. What Piturca did, was discipline. He wanted to show the team and the supporters back home that we can control a game. Not many got that part (hundreds of comments on the web blame Piturca and the team for not attacking and loosing the oportunity).
With Italy, it is the same thing, we haven't beat Italy since december 82. A very long and frustrating time. With the Dutch on the otherhand, we know them and we don't have any complex against them. We just respect them, that's it. We feared the french and the italians. My hopes are that this coach made his point very clear and that the team will not start the rest of the games already defeated.

If our coach does his job well, it won't be the romanians hoping the results between the other teams would qualify them. For the first time in years it will be us that win the qualification on our own. If we don't qualify from the group, at least we know we did our best.

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For Group C the last word is not spoken yet.
I remember France´s first game in the World Cup 06, they tied against Switzerland and then got better and better during the tournament.
But they are missing some of their best players.

I can´t wait for the next games. I hope Switzerland can show something against Turkey, but i highly doubt that they are going to pass the group.
And on thursday it´s time for Germany to proof that they are on the same level as Holland.
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I'm especially excited by Holland's performance, despite the arguable off-side goal they got.


No off-side there, Buffon rocketed a player of his own (not sure who anymore) who remained on the ground next to the goal, as the rule goes he's still part of the game, so it was impossible to even be off-side!

just wanted to clear that up :)

Lets just hope for more :D .... cheers and have fun watching you all.
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Domenech is not a coach, he decides the first eleven by reading the horoscopes for the day


That's true, he even looks at horoscopes to pick his squad. He does not like scorpions, that's maybe why Trezeguet and Mexes were not on the list... :lol:
As for football, France played its worst game in years. Just as i said before the game, the young players are not ready yet, give them 4 more years. And i have a feeling the old ones are not that concerned anymore since they won everything and are probably eager to take some vacations...
Though i still believe anything is possible in this group: there will be spaces between Holland and France and our players (Ribery, Henry) could take advantage of it since our defence is still very good. Our problem? We don't score enough! And i also doubt Holland can play that well all the time.
Romania vs Italy should be boring if Romania uses the same tactics they used against France; there won't be many goals for sure.
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The main consolation for the Italians will be how bad the FRance-Romania game was. France didn't seem interested and Romania were just trying not to lose.

Had a sneaky suspicision Holland would do well this year - might go put some money on them after that performance.
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Romania really impressed me to hold on to that game though through the entire game they did have control.

I'd love to see Romania and Italy getting through. I'm not sure France has a change honestly... they seemed to disinterested and without Trezeguet, its gonna be a long road. Thats like the Italians playing without Luca Toni (Though he did play like crap!)

Spain vs Russia. 18th minute and its looking like Russia is being dominant... not very dominant mind you!

I hope Russia wins as I lost a point on a quiz because I didn't put Spain winning the Euro2008...

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p.s. Not that it matters but I'm not to convinced in the offsides goal as the rule I heard said it had to be deliberate!

p.s.s. Spain just scored haha... now I'm eating my words
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Well, nice match from Spain, they did quite well and seemed to play with their heads cool, while Russia seemed to be in disarray most of the game (I only saw the second half though).

My impressions is that Spain shouldn't grow too confident, Russia played badly and Spain did well but weren't stars. Lets hope they can keep their heads cool and not blow it in the quarter-finals if they get through (that last goal from Russia just shows what happens when Spain gets too confident).

Russia needs to get their act together...were they even in the match?? It seemes to me they were under the influence of a crazy night in Amsterdam, and only saw them shine in the last 5 minutes.
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All I say is - I'm happy as long as Greece gets kicked out of this championchip with the head first.

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I switched off the Greece-Sweden match after the first half because it was so dull although I missed a superb strike from Ibrahimjovic (sp?) so am off tp find a highlights package.

Spain looked good but are the perennial under-achievers, they scored four on their first group game in the world cup and didn't get far.
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