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Dr. jones
Cold One Knight
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:44 am Posts: 200
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Designing my MSU army list i realised that Exec Champoins are also followers of Khaine and yet they dont get the ToK upgrades that Hags recieve. Our hated Asur kin get upgrades for most of their special unit champions so why cant we?!
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:50 pm |
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Anaryin
Lord of the 7th Convent
Joined: Sat Dec 07, 2002 7:15 pm Posts: 3203 Location: Utrecht, Netherlands
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Because we are not asur and because they are more magical than we are.. now why is this? I don't know.. I believe we should be able to give magic items to our champions, at least to the Draich-Master and the Captain of the Guard (BG). But not ToK, that's for witches..
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:55 pm |
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Kreol
Brush Master
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:24 pm Posts: 460 Location: Poland
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Every DE is follower of Khaine(or now in SoC will be some Slannesh)so all DE should ToK? NO because ToK shows that they was trained in ToK and those artifacts,skilles & poisions are secrets.(DE Armybook p.22)
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:35 pm |
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Gorbad ironclaw
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:07 pm Posts: 1449
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Generally, I would rather prefer him not to be any more expensive anyway. It's still a model with a poor armour save and a single wound. I don't need to push the cost of it up more than it is.
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:52 pm |
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Vampire master morph
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:24 pm Posts: 1648 Location: Scotland,Aberdeen,Feeding Asur To My Pet Harpies...
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i think they should and i agree with DR jones
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:55 pm |
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Dr. jones
Cold One Knight
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:44 am Posts: 200
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thanks for that, i think that as they are also from the aspect of Khaine they should get 25pts of upgrades, imagine +1A, omg that be'd cool in a Challenge!
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:48 pm |
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Plaguescythe
Noble
Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:45 pm Posts: 405 Location: Canada
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i said yes but i think that the only thing they should get is to go by initative in combat, like the friggen swordmasters
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:52 pm |
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Dark whisper
Corsair
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:12 am Posts: 91 Location: San Jose, CA U.S.A.
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I say no, because I prefer the simplicity of the executioner unit rather than weighing it or its champions down with too many options or upgrades. For one thing i don't believe they should take any options from the temple of khaine list because they are not a part of the temple of khaine. Their regard for khaine is much the same as any other ordinary warrior or dark elf citizen.
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:07 am |
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Dr. jones
Cold One Knight
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:44 am Posts: 200
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Dark Whisper, WTF?!!! They represent KHAINE in the aspect of the EXECUTIONER, their whole life and martial practice revolves around KHAINE!
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:45 am |
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Dark whisper
Corsair
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:12 am Posts: 91 Location: San Jose, CA U.S.A.
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 But they are not a part of the TEMPLE OF KHAINE. I do think people take their association with khaine to a higher level than they really are. After all as someone else has already pointed out, pretty much anything else in our army can be associated with khaine in some aspect including our sorceresses. So as Karth has already pointed out, should everything else in our army be allowed to use these options?
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:48 pm |
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Cronos
Assassin
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:38 pm Posts: 575 Location: Kent
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I'd say that they should not be able to have the dance of doom, as they wear heavy armour and that would prove impossible to do.
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:50 pm |
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Rasputinii
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Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:52 am Posts: 5178 Location: Melbourne Oz
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No, from a purely game/rules perspective. I think it would make a Exe chap to powerful and to much like a demi character, which is truer to the Asur then to us. I could perhaps see them with extra stuff perhaps from the magic item list, but the TOK? No, there isn't the same culty, religious nut feel to the exes that there is to WE.
Althought hinking about it I think the BG champ should begiven 25pts to spend in the DE armoury/magic list.
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:56 pm |
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Tayrod
Spawn of Slaanesh
Joined: Thu Jan 30, 2003 2:12 pm Posts: 1209 Location: Over the hills and far away (ie: In Norway somewhere)
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Because in ages past they used to make tons of magic items, and after the sundering when we fled we diddent have time to grab very many so most of our magic items are crafted in naggaroth while the High Elves had a whole bunch of magic items to start whit and the ones theyre crafting now.
And thats also why they get a discout on pts
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:03 pm |
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Lordsaradain
Malekith's Best Friend
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:22 pm Posts: 1479 Location: Norsca (Sweden)
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I think it would be fun with upgs for exe champ, but there isnt really anything that would be useful,( i mean for the points cst, witch brew is hags ONLY...) and it would be weird with exe champs carrying weapons coated in poison, dont you agree. Their weapons should be coted in the enemys guts!
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:27 pm |
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Iron_panther
Black Guard
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:50 pm Posts: 273 Location: The Void
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Agreed. The only upgrades that makes some sense are te cry of war or rune of khaine, but on the other hand, those are some sweet upgrades! The warcry can reduce the number of retalliaotion hits from WS3 Joe Trooper, and the rune makes the exe champ HARD! Not that I think we'd get them, but still...
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:38 pm |
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Riverrat
Shade
Joined: Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:46 am Posts: 107
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yeah i feel champs (and also nobles/ highborns) shld get ToK upgrades.
but only the non poison ones....
dark elves being like a warlike race shld be able to develope these skills over the years of fighting... eg, champs (who are khaine worshippers anyway )are able to evoke the name of khaine to aid them in the battlefeild...
these skills are separate from the poisons list...
i'm tiking of something like the eldar erach (spelling) powers here...
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:02 am |
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Deathangel_321
Executioner
Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:30 pm Posts: 173 Location: If i told you i'd have to kill you...
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I will vote yes, but only thay should be able to take UPGRADES as it says, not ToK.
I reckon there should be more limitations, or a NEW upgrade list alltogether...
No poisons. Definately.
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Strike in Initiative or +1A order seems good to me.
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