Large target and shooting.

Limenix · Post by **Limenix** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:30 am

I played a game some days ago.

Chaos Mortals Vs Ogres and at some point this is what happened.

My opponent moved a unit of 20 Gnoblars near my Chaos lord on dragon
and said that he would shoot at him with all 4 ranks because he is a large target.
I argued that Vs large targets you get to shoot with an additional rank ONLY
like when shooting from atop a hill.
People gathered around , a big fuss started and we ended up rolling for it.
I lost so he rolled 40 dices at me...(double shots at 8'')
Can you beleieve it ..... my Lord (tzeentch) had a 2+ Armour save and a 3+
ward save and he still managed to inflict a wound :shock:

Anyway i had a unit of chosen chaos Knights obliterate the Gnoblars because of the insult ... but i used a 300Pts unit only to get 40Pts out of it.

So the Q is obvious.
With how many ranks can somebody shoot at large targets?

Steve tu · Post by **Steve tu** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:57 am

All of them. He played it right. Massed ranks of night gobbo archers are also good at this.

Holt · Post by **Holt** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:58 am

I have always thought that it was just the additional ONE ranks, giving two ranks in total shooting. If your opponent wantd more Gnoblars shooting he would have had to move them into two ranks in order for them to all target your Chaos Lord legaly.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong, opps.

Bad beast · Post by **Bad beast** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:47 am

the only thing that restricts models in units from shooting in more then one rank is LoS, since you can draw LoS to large targets over other units (and in this case models) all 4 ranks have LoS to the large target and can shoot

also note this works the same for hills, if shooting at a target on a hill, the whole unit can see, and as such shoot at it

Trueprophet · Post by **Trueprophet** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:48 pm

Hrm, I had always assumed shooting at a large target was two ranks, just like hills (pg 26 of your rule book under "Missle fire from hills"). Though I can't seem to find any reference in the rule book (did they take it out from the previous editions?)

Post by **Thanee** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:57 pm

All ranks makes sense to me (because of the LOS explanation).

It's also a very different situation to shooting from a hill, but *seems* similar, so I guess that is the source of the confusion.

Bye
Thanee

Manticoreslair · Post by **Manticoreslair** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:22 pm

i think the rule book clearly says AN EXTRA RANK. and i think its in bold too.

but i have always played all ranks, as thanee says it makes more sense

The griefbringer · Post by **The griefbringer** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:23 pm

Somewhere in the book, I think where they are discussing hills in the terrain section, talks about how 'the back ranks' of a unit looking up at a hill can see. So, looking down you get an extra rank only, but looking up you get them all.

Don't have the book with me, so I can't give a page reference--sorry.

Arcadian · Post by **Arcadian** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:05 pm

BRB, p26, First paragraph of the Missle Fire From Hills states a unit can fire with ONE additional rank if possessed of an elevation advantage

BRB p28, outlines large target, other than the plus one to hit, there is no stated rules in this section that deals with multiple ranks being allowed to shoot at Large Targets. Same for Page 60, Shooting at Monsterous Mounts, where the bonus to hit is again mentioned but no comment about Ranks

At present I can find no rule that allows multiple ranks to shoot at large targets, though if one is out there that is official and not just a House Rule, please let me know cause I'm missing it.

Griefbringer: The BRB mentions the Unit on the Hill can be seen over other units in regards to LOS, (p26) but I found nothing that allows rear ranks to shoot uphill either.

Post by **Vorchild** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:25 pm

Its under page 9 in the interposing models section. All ranks (even the back) can fire at a large target or a unit that's on a hill (that part is in the hills and elevated positions section). Kind of sucks for the hill positions where you only get two ranks to fire down and everybody else gets all their ranks to shoot back up.

Limenix · Post by **Limenix** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:27 pm

Hmmm ... i guess he played it right but i'm still
sceptical.
Well , it'll be just another rule to remember.

Arcadian · Post by **Arcadian** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:15 pm

Thanks Vorchild, I had missed that..

Interesting page 8 paragraph 6 & 7. I had not really looked this close at this before, as the times I've used hills it was for my RBTs and not my rxb troops which are usually down in the thick of things.

Hrmm something to consider. Thanks again for the correction.

Post by **Dalamar** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:25 pm

Yup, shooting down is +1 rank, shooting up is all ranks.

Post by **Thanee** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:28 pm

Well, I always wondered, why you even get +1 rank to fire when shooting downhill. Do they expect the first rank to stand on a low elevation!?

Bye
Thanee

Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:33 pm

Thanee wrote:Well, I always wondered, why you even get +1 rank to fire when shooting downhill. Do they expect the first rank to stand on a low elevation!?

Bye
Thanee

That is the thinking yes.

Post by **Thanee** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:43 pm

Thanks Linda!

Bye
Thanee