Terrorgheist and Cloak of Twilight

[Ghostrider]

Was pondering over the VC book last night and a quiestion pupped up. The death shreek from the terror gheist is a special atack and a magical attack that happens in the shooting phase. So does the cloak of twilight give Ward save against it ? And secondly - when does it accur when the terrorgheist is in close combat. If the terrorgheis charges a unit - does the death shreek still happen in the shooting phase - alas befor close combat ?
I appologize if this is a stupid question, but would apriciate an answet very much.
And btw, this ability seems insanely good. Must be alot of VC armies out there with 2 terror gheists.

[Thraundil]

The ability IS insanely good. No armor saves, reasonably high chance of inflicting massive wounds. These guys wreck cavalry and lone characters all the same.

Written rule: "A Death Shriek is a magical attack". The cloak of twilight gives ward saves against shooting attacks and spells. Hence, there is no ward save granted against a death shriek by the cloak of twilight.

[Dragon9]

I believe that, just like a banshee, they get to scream even when In combat.

[Setomidor]

As it is done in the shooting phase (and distributed like shooting), I would allow the Wardsave. (This is also how it is ruled in the ETC-FAQ.)

[Dalamar]

It may be done in the shooting phase, but its not a shooting attack and cloak of twilight doesn't protect against it.

Etc faq is plainly wrong in multiple places as they need to rewrite rules to fit their brand of a miniature game which has littlebgo do with warhammer.

[T.D.]

I consider it a shooting attack.

Those who disagree with me are obviously Vampire Counts players

[Dalamar]

Why do you consider it a shooting attack?
Nothing in its rules says so. If anything it's a sound attack.

[Ghostrider]

So the ETC faq alows for ward save from COT, thats good to hear as Im soon to atend an ETC comp tournament ( Call to War ). But Im still curious - is it done in the shooting phase - even With the terrorgheist in Close combat ?

[T.D.]

It happens during the shooting phase and not the magic phase.

But I consider this the sort of issue that can only be resolved by an official FAQ. Most Dark Elf players, like myself, will side with the ETC ruling, players of VC and other armies that like to see Dark Elves lose will hope for another chink in our armour

[Gidean]

I consider it a shooting attack.

Those who disagree with me are obviously Vampire Counts players

That might be true T.D. I am a member of Carpe Noctem Forum too. Sadly you won't find 1 VC Player who will agree with you. The scream/shriek is a 'special magical attack that HAPPENS' in the shooting phase. Be glad that it is NOT a shooting attack or the VC players would insist they get a stand and shoot reaction.

[Setomidor]

Be glad that it is NOT a shooting attack or the VC players would insist they get a stand and shoot reaction.

Not true I'm afraid, as Undead are not allowed Stand and Shoot reactions

[Kargan daemonclaw]

I don't think it's a shooting attack, it follows none of the rules for shooting. That doesn't make me a VC player just one that likes to understand the rules.

ETC isn't warhammer, it has evolved into it's own game. There are wholesale changes to the rules, limitation on scenarios and excessivley complicated list restrictions that seem to get added to rather than simplified.

Then to make things worse for players the ETC rules got spilled out into all the single player tournaments as well.

[Zenith]

Let me look at this, with just common sense.

The shriek is an attack done in the shooting fase.
So it would be a shooting attack.

!!

[Flash29]

Let me look at this, with just common sense.

The shriek is an attack done in the shooting fase.
So it would be a shooting attack.

!!

so stand and shooting with crossbows isn't a shooting attack, since it is done in the movement phase? The rules are clear its a special attack which can be done in the shooting phase or the close combat phase.

[Ghostrider]

It seems that ETC community consider it a shooting atack and alows for the Cloak`s ward save against it. A rare occurance of common sense among the ETC comunity maby ?

[Gidean]

It seems that ETC community consider it a shooting atack and alows for the Cloak`s ward save against it. A rare occurance of common sense among the ETC comunity maby ?

No. More ETC lunacy.

[Dalamar]

ETC rulings are often wrong and even commonly directly against the BRB. They're often a bad example.

[Gidean]

ETC rulings are often wrong and even commonly directly against the BRB. They're often a bad example.

+1 !!