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ok let's 20 corsair btb to with HE 20 spearmen at the start of close combat declares that unit has an assassin then izit replace the 1 model in front corsair with an assassin then that corsair put on the back izit become 21 model on the regiment is the correct way to do it

or

izit i have to put my corsair regiment with 19 model at the start of a battle?

i just understand how to applied assassin on the army


plz help me out here thanks

Okay, not sure I understand your post, but I'll try to help here...

I think you are asking how the assassin replaces. Well, he will take away one of the twenty corsairs and replace the model completely. This means that you will field the 20 corsairs with the assassin off to the side, and then when he is revealed you will REPLACE one of the corsairs with the assassin, leaving a unit with 19 corsairs and one assassin.

Yes, he just replaces one model. So you'll start with 20 corsairs and have 19 after he is revealed

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Lord Thalack

Thalack is right, and I hate the rule. The assassin costs 125pts + whatever model he replaces(since it can't be used)

I´ve heard the opposite, the corsairs are still 20, the last one placed at the back of the formation.

GW's word "replaces" means just that...."takes the place of",so good bye corsair/spearmen/executioner etc.

Yep the assassin replaces the model, unlike skaven assassins

D**n!, someone explained it to me this way... to bad. And ofcourse it don´t apply to skaven, because DE are so much bet... we got shafted again, didn´t we?

lol, sorry but i thought that was funny

Another evil plan lurkes in my head.

Wait untill the unit suffers some casualties and remove one of the front models (as a casualty). Then reveal the assasin, without replacing a model, and hope that your oponent doesn't notice.

ElvenKnight wrote:Another evil plan lurkes in my head.

Wait untill the unit suffers some casualties and remove one of the front models (as a casualty). Then reveal the assasin, without replacing a model, and hope that your oponent doesn't notice.

the only downside is that it is cheating LOL

i dont think that this fact ever stopped a druchii from doing it...

Linda wrote:the only downside is that it is cheating LOL

So

Actually, if an assassin is revealed in a unit of 20 corsairs there will still be 20 corsairs left (21 models including the assassin). Look closely at the rule for hidden, it clearly states that a model is "displaced". There is no mention of the term "replace". Note that the wording for druchii assassins hidden deployment is virtually identical to the wording for skaven assassins (both rules use the term "displace"), the only difference is that the skaven rulebook offers further clarification perhaps as a direct result of the confusion that resulted from the identical DE rule.

Umm, I believe GW has stated that it does replace the model.

And, yes, we DID get shafted again.

And, as I said on the GW forum when someone asked this question-where would they hide the assassin? In their pants? hmm...

The same question could be asked of a skaven assassin. Where does he hide? One way to look at it is that they are not disguised but mearly hiding in the shadows nearby. Eitherway, I have not heard of any official clarification regarding this. Until you see one with your own eyes (preferably on the pages of wd or in an annual), I would go by the rules written in the army book.

KnightSaber wrote:I would go by the rules written in the army book.

That is just it. The rule in the DE book is different from the rule in the Skaven book.

They might have intended them to be the saem but they quite clearly are not. GW have had several opportunities to make the rule clearer in there Q&A sheets and have not done so. This suggests that the rules are ment to be as written.

Regretably our Assasin does not displace the model to the rear ranks, or it would have said so. We loose the model.

What the shiz is this

I thought all along the assasin "replaces" the model!?

Ok I got mixed up with "deisplaced" and I'm getting quite mad now.

KnightSaber is right, i have the book in my hand, it clearly says "The player declares that his unit containes an Assassin and places the model amongst the ranks where he can fight, displacing a normal rank-and-file model."

Decheran wrote:KnightSaber is right, i have the book in my hand, it clearly says "The player declares that his unit containes an Assassin and places the model amongst the ranks where he can fight, displacing a normal rank-and-file model."

No, KnightSaber is wrong.

No where do you see the reference to replacing the rank and file model to another rank. If you read the Skaven book their Assasin clearly does this. The only reason to have the two rules different is if they are in fact different.

I agree the model displaced should go to the rear (or wherever), but unless you can see where it says this then it is only a 'I wish the rule really said'.
We can only go on what the rules allow us to do, not what we wish they would allow us to.

walkerd- I beleive that you need to take another look at the army book. As Decheran confirmed the term used is "displaced" which is rather different in meaning than "replaced". I completely agree that one can only do what is explicity allowed by the rules. However, the exact wording of the rule for DE assassins is that they displace a model in the unit they are revealed in. Thus that is exactly what must be done. Once again, note that this is the exact same term used in the skaven army book.

How could i be wrong, i have a direct quote from the book, i mean really come to your sences, if the rules say something better than you thought, you should greedily except it

Sounds good to me.

More troops for me! bwahaha.

it defiantly says displace

i checked just then

its a great rule it means in a unit with 15 models when assisian pops out you get + 3 rank bonus (if your frontage is 4

So is it displace or replace