Beastmaster on Manticore

Blackshadow · Post by **Blackshadow** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 7:47 pm

When I first started my Army, I bought a Beastmaster on a Manticore. It is quit fast and, combine with the Terror, I found it really usefull to disturb my opponent's movement (High Elves).

BUT, it uses 2 hero's slots and we're playing 1500 points games. I'm kind of force to get a Sorceress to be counter my ennemy's spells. So, my 3 hero's slots are taken and I can't get a Noble or an Assassin.

My question is: Is there a lot of person using the Beastmaster on the Manticore or you think it doesn't worth the 2 hero's slots and 259pts?

Post by **Lord Thalack** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 7:49 pm

I haven't used him yet. But you don't have to use a sorceress. Get a noble and give the noble or the beastmaster seal of ghrond. Just make sure you kill the enemy wizards as fast as possible. You could use harpies for tifh for example

Bye
Lord Thalack

Post by **Thanee** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:09 pm

Your Beastmaster cannot use the Additional Handweapon you bought for him while mounted! You can use those 4 points otherwise!

I also bought the Beastmaster on Manticore as my very first model and so far have used it most of the time in 1500 points battles together with one Sorceress. I think the Manticore is great in such lower size battles!

Here's my quite successful standard list (only the Ld 8 of the COK hurts a bit):

192 Sorceress Level 2 on Dark Steed armed with Lifetaker with Darkstar Cloak
255 Beastmaster on Manticore with Seal of Ghrond
225 20 Corsairs including Musician, Standard Bearer and Reaver
151 6 Dark Riders armed with Repeater Crossbows including Musician
360 10 Cold One Knights including Musician, Standard Bearer with War Banner and Dread Knight
117 9 Harpies
100 1 Reaper Bolt Thrower
100 1 Reaper Bolt Thrower
====
1500

Sometimes I use a Noble and 2 Sorceresses, tho, but most of the time I play 2000-2500 points now.

Bye
Thanee

Nialion · Post by **Nialion** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:09 pm

I would have a hard time motivating taking a manticore not so much because of the hero slot as the fact that it would be shoot to peaces against most of my normal enemys or have no use of terror against the rest.

Lord dalamar do'urden · Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:16 pm

how about sicking your noble on the manticore and taking 2 sorceress or a nother noble on cold one and 1 sorceress?
Phil

Post by **Grogsnotpowwabomba** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:19 pm

Some people love them.

Some people hate them.

In such a small game, though, they are quite a gamble.

When you gamble, sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose.

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:21 pm

fizz286 wrote:how about sicking your noble on the manticore and taking 2 sorceress or a nother noble on cold one and 1 sorceress?
Phil

You can't mount noble on Manticore... Only pegasus, cold one or dark steed.

In smaller battles I usually use beastmaster on manticore with seal of ghrond and noble on pegasus... I even won one small tournament (1000pts) with this combo

I also had Hydra, 5 dark riders and 16 spearelves... In small battles big monsters are especially useful as you enemy can't have lots of war machines (and we can have lots of monsters :twisted:

)

Post by **Lord Thalack** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:27 pm

yep, you can't put a noble on a manticore

Bye
Lord Thalack

Post by **Thanee** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:28 pm

Actually I find the Manticore being quite resilient to shooting in lower point games.

Bye
Thanee

Nialion · Post by **Nialion** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 9:10 pm

Not against my normal shooty oponents (empire and skaven). And sence VC and chaos is immune to pshycology I will not have much use of it there either. To bad I would like to use it at some time.

Post by **Thanee** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 9:37 pm

Well, against all of these armies, I usually like to use a Manticore!

Empire can kill it with a Greatcannon, that's it pretty much. Their other shooting is too ineffective (yes, this includes the Hellblaster) to have a good chance to kill the Manticore (unless you land it right in the center of the battlefield

)!

Skaven? I'll find out soon (first game against the rats), see my list in the Army Lists forum!

Chaos? Well, I prefer a Highborn on Manticore here, the Beastmaster would only be good to attack the support units (Marauders, Wardogs, etc).

Vampire Counts? Also a Highborn on Manticore is preferred, but the Beastmaster on Manticore is still a very decent flank attacker and mage killer!

Bye
Thanee

Whaledawg · Post by **Whaledawg** » Tue Oct 22, 2002 9:51 pm

Are you guys sure that the maticore/beastmaster takes up 2 hero slots?
I thought only the black dragon took up the extra slot?

Anyway, for the points I dont think the manticore is that bad. It's like a
mobile, scary treeman with a little less umph and a lot more pizazzz!!!!!

Leithel and odd · Post by **Leithel and odd** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 12:31 am

We are one of the only armies that can have a large monster without a lord choice. It has a unit strength of 5 and strength 5 attacks plus causing terror and flying. It's vulnerable to shooting so against shooty armies it's a little in the open, but against O&G, Chaos, Brettonia etc it's invaluable.

Post by **Lord Thalack** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:01 am

whaledawg wrote:Are you guys sure that the maticore/beastmaster takes up 2 hero slots?
I thought only the black dragon took up the extra slot?

Anyway, for the points I dont think the manticore is that bad. It's like a
mobile, scary treeman with a little less umph and a lot more pizazzz!!!!!

Look at page 27 of the armybook: "A Beastmaster mounted on a Manticore counts as two Hero choices."

Bye
Lord Thalack

Whaledawg · Post by **Whaledawg** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 10:57 am

But u cant deny the pizazz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That manticores got it baby

Lord khelek · Post by **Lord khelek** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 12:47 pm

However, beastmaster on manticore is surely a worthy choice for an army, but I would use him only in a 3000+ pts. combat, for the manticore drops an extra hero choice. With terror, S5, T5, flying, the Beastmaster's special rule (it allows the manticore to not to take the test if the Beastmaster is killed) and "only" 230 pts. it isn't so bad, anyway.

Kultru · Post by **Kultru** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 7:08 pm

Well, against Skaven, i found the Manticore to be far to easy points for the opponent, his jezzails and warplightning cannon did the work in two turns.
And the Beastmaster is useful for two things in bigger games, eliminating the monster reaction for the manticore, and the first turn of combat, when he uses the web (i allmost everytime take the web).
If that doesn't do the trick, he's usually fishfood.
(in wich part the beastmaster rule comes in handy)
But, in lower point games, he's good, he's fast, and the terror does almost allways some damage in the opponents army.
Lighter, small regiments find it hard to cope against it. as does war machines. (if they don't shoot it, ofcourse)

The word of pain · Post by **The word of pain** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 12:10 am

Manticore are fine, but it's the puny beastmaster that's the problem. T3 and no AS, he don't last lomg.
Play 2000 points and put a High Born on it!

Duncan037 · Post by **Duncan037** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:22 pm

I tend to have a lord or a noble on a manticore to gibve it a lot more of a bite!! If i'm playing 3000+ points i will use two manticores!!!(i like my monsters)

Post by **Lord Thalack** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:23 pm

That can only be a lord cause nobles can't ride manticores

Bye
Lord Thalack

Duncan037 · Post by **Duncan037** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:33 am

I tend to use a manticre(and other large beasts) in over 2000 pts.

Dictator · Post by **Dictator** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:10 am

go with a hero on manticore
:twisted:

Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:17 am

dictator wrote:go with a hero on manticore

the only hero class char that can ride the manticore is the beastmaster

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:49 am

When considering a beastmaster on Manticore, consider the following:

Noble, Dark pegasus, HA, SD Cloak, Lance, Enchanted shield 151pts
lvl1 sorceress with dispell scroll 115pts
total 270pts

Beastmaster on manticore with web of Shadows 255pts

Fairly comparable combat usefulness and survivability (the armour of the noble balances with the toughness of the peg in combat) So you exchange terror and the pros and cons of large target status for the extra sorceror...

Cheers,
Sulla

|seraphon| · Post by **|seraphon|** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:39 pm

i like the Manticore in small games. I take 9 COK with BSB(hydrabanner) and a Beastmaster on Manticore. With some dark riders and chariots it can be real nasty! :mrgreen: