Is an Assassin worth it?

Swingu · Post by **Swingu** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 5:52 pm

I guess the subjest tells it all. Do you use an Assasin? Is there a point buying a 2 wound, T3 character who can't even have an armour at a price of a Highborn + the cost of whatever rank-and-file he'll replace?

Sortelveren · Post by **Sortelveren** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 5:57 pm

i dont think an assa is the points and the hero worth it costs. as u sais he can not wear armour, so unless he kills his opponent in the furst turn he attacks, the chance that he dies is very high, but i still like to have him standing at the tableside, just to make my opponent curious

btw read the thread about assassins, where the question if the assa replaces or not is debated.....

Post by **Lord Thalack** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:09 pm

I don't use them very often

Bye
Lord Thalack

Poisonblade · Post by **Poisonblade** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:58 pm

Great against lizardmen and orcs rank and file troops, with manbane of course. That is the only time I would ever use them. A real shame they can't accompany shades...

Post by **Langmann** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 7:17 pm

Poisonblade wrote:Great against lizardmen and orcs rank and file troops, with manbane of course. That is the only time I would ever use them. A real shame they can't accompany shades...

Agree with shades. Should be able to use missile weapons and accompany a shade unit as well as scout.

They are interesting in that they can make your day or break it. Don't bother with them against high T troops, better to spend 130 points on something that can flank, like DR. As someone said they are cool against O/G etc. To me they are fascinating. I remember when someone used him with killing blow, killed a challenged general, ran down a unit and walked all over the artillery of the opponent. If you are into entertainment, they are neat. If you want to win take sorceresses and nobles or another unit.

Occasionally will take him if I want to puncture a hole in an army's line quickly. He'll add nicely to combat against regular troops allowing you to win CR.

Dekhalan · Post by **Dekhalan** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 7:53 pm

Dekhalan's rule of thumb regarding assassins -

1000points = Never take an assassin
2000points = Sometimes take an assassin
3000points = Always take an assassin

Hope that helped...

Poisonblade · Post by **Poisonblade** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 8:13 pm

I have had some great moments with my Assassin. One time after using steed of shadows to kill a lvl 4 mage, he was charged by 8 wardancers. They only wounded me once, I killed 3 and ran them down.

The mental picture I got of my assassin surrounded by wardancers, killing 3, then slaughtering 5 as they tried to run was awesome.

I've also seen another Dark Elf player take out a unit of 12 skinks with one Assassin, I bet that was bloody. :twisted:

Dungeon_god · Post by **Dungeon_god** » Fri Oct 25, 2002 10:07 pm

Poisonblade wrote:I've also seen another Dark Elf player take out a unit of 12 skinks with one Assassin, I bet that was bloody.

*squeek* *squeek* *SQUEEEEEK!*

Sortelveren · Post by **Sortelveren** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:36 am

Post by **Thanee** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 8:13 am

Poisonblade wrote:The mental picture I got of my assassin surrounded by wardancers, killing 3, then slaughtering 5 as they tried to run was awesome.

Similar to Aragorn in the LotR movie, when being surrounded by Uruk-Hai!

I've also seen another Dark Elf player take out a unit of 12 skinks with one Assassin, I bet that was bloody.

12 Skinks... woohoo!

My Beastmaster on Manticore once took 3 or so turns to defeat a unit of Skinks... darn dodgy lizards!

Bye
Thanee

The word of pain · Post by **The word of pain** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:03 am

I've got 3 very nicely painted Assasin Models, I use none of them! I cannot justify the points cost. Loose a unit of dark Riders for 1 assasin, no thanks!

Dragnipur · Post by **Dragnipur** » Sat Oct 26, 2002 5:35 pm

Same here... own 3 assasin models, and only use them in friendly games where lose-or-win does not really matter.

Dilvish · Post by **Dilvish** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:03 pm

For some reason, the combo of Manbane and Rune of Khaine has never worked for me. Oddly enough, I have had far more success with the Dark Venom and Killing Blow temple upgrade combo. My assassin even killed a Blood Dragon Lord with it! :twisted:

Dragon9 · Post by **Dragon9** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:01 am

I use an assassin quite frequently, usually with the Dark Venom/Touch of Death ability combo. He has never failed to regain his points value in kills. He even once took out a 20 man unit of Ironbreakers on his own. Another time he charged a dwarf cannon, killed the crew on the charge, and continued to overrun and kill warmachines in my enemy's rear line until the game ended... :lol:

I never leave home without him.

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:17 am

You do know if hit with a 6 you can't killing blow

Dragon9 · Post by **Dragon9** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:20 pm

Well, duh... On average with 4 attacks, I maybe get 1 poison hit (if that). I have better luck with the killing blow. it's called "covering all your bases".

Ryanthegreat · Post by **Ryanthegreat** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:54 am

I've only used an assassin once and he was very helpful.

I stuck him in a unit of corsairs and engaged my opponents enemy unit of saurus. I revealed the assassin and challenged. He accepted with his saurus hero. I killed the saurus hero (no over-kill though, *sob sob*), but his unit still held. Then I challenged again and he accepted with champion, and I slaughtered the champion, winning the combat.

Assassins can be useful, especially when your opponent doesn't suspect them, or doesn't realise how good they can be.

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 5:04 am

- Dragon 9
Sorry i was under the illusion it was called a "waste of points"

- Ryan the Great
Very true vs people who don't know about assassins.

However most people hear believe that their opponents are as good as they are (or at least think they are). Me being mainly a 40k player expect that my opponents are going to batter then me at fanasty, or at least equal to. Also unforunatly i have a tendentcy(?) of looking at the maths in things. which is 2 reasons why, though i love assassins they rarely get used by me (also keeps them a surprise if i do use them). Though to date not one of mine has paid his points.

Sortelveren · Post by **Sortelveren** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:35 pm

i have 2 assa models, but only use one of them as a bloodshade..

Post by **Grogsnotpowwabomba** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:06 pm

Like Dekhalan said, they are risky in smaller games but amazing in larger games.

I am overall happy with how my Assasin has performed. The fear factor a potential Assasin can have on your enemy is more valuable than many realize.

Post by **Grogsnotpowwabomba** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:08 pm

Sortelveren wrote:i have 2 assa models, but only use one of them as a bloodshade..

You use a BloodShade??

Do you actually find them useful?

I never buy champions that improve BS, because it seems like an utter waste of points to me.

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:46 pm

I too rarely use my assassins ( i have 2 female ones who are horny looking as well as evil looking! ) and I never use bloodshades or dr heralds. I don't think the extra bs is worth the points either.

Dragon9 · Post by **Dragon9** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 2:26 am

GrogsnotPowwabomba wrote:The fear factor a potential Assasin can have on your enemy is more valuable than many realize.

I know what you mean. After we finish deploying our troops, I take my assassin model and place it on a corner of the table in sight of my opponent. They know I have one... but not where. :twisted:

I love watching my opponent squirm!

Dungeon_god · Post by **Dungeon_god** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 2:27 am

None of my opponents do-they all know how awful I roll! :evil:

Pokeme · Post by **Pokeme** » Fri Nov 01, 2002 2:31 am

I find that to properly use the assasin, you must take advantage of its most powerful rule..........first strike.

Ok..........now think. What kind of troops would be able to charge you before you charge him? Knights.

Get a blade of ruin to rip him into shreds.

Another way of using an assasin is to put him into a block of executioners.

I find that when people start using them to kill normal core troops, they are not performing as to what they are supposed to do. A noble would be cheaper and better for that kind of job.

Is an Assassin worth it?

Is an Assassin worth it?

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Killing Blow

Hmmm