¿No more sea dragon cloak?

Kold · Post by **Kold** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:55 pm

After having a look at the new pictures of corsairs it seems that we are going to lose the benefits of sea dragon cloack. I don't believe that we can use a core unit with a 3+ AS in Hth (sh + ha +sdc). ¿Don't you thinks so?

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:59 pm

Why do you think they are going to lose the benefit of wearing something they have *modelled on*??

Arquinsiel · Post by **Arquinsiel** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:24 pm

The models don't appear to have heavy scales on them, more like thick leather now. With holes.

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:36 pm

It's the inside of a cloak...

Aginor26 · Post by **Aginor26** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:36 pm

Regardless, the models rock! My guess is LA+SDC+SH+HW and therefore 3+ save, but you'll probably have the choice of extra HA, Shield, or RxB

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:39 pm

I'm more inclined to believe that the shield is a mistake and they don't actually have it over them losing the sea dragon cloak.

Emperorpenguin · Post by **Emperorpenguin** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:44 pm

I think that by taking the shield you'll get a decent tarpit unit but you'll be missing out on the multiple attacks of two hand weapons and the nifty repeater xbow pistols

maybe the SDC will only add +1 vs shooting too or (horror) will be identical to White Lion cloaks, so we'll want the shield for close combat

Arquinsiel · Post by **Arquinsiel** » Wed May 14, 2008 12:12 am

Dalamar wrote:It's the inside of a cloak...

It must be the darker colours used to paint it then, but they look like holes to me.

Duffman327 · Post by **Duffman327** » Wed May 14, 2008 12:38 am

they may not even have light armour. or it could be an option. after all if you fall off a boat wearing armour... your dead.

3+ AS does seem a bit far fetched but why not?

lets us strike fear into the Asur!!!.

pistolies is kool anyways

Post by **Dalamar** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:00 am

If you fall off the boat in icy northern waters you're better off drowning than freezing to death <.<
Dwarf core troops have 3+ armour save in combat
Chaos warriors have 3+ armour save in combat (2+ if chosen)
so it's not too far fetched.

Post by **Underway** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:15 am

After seeing the photos of the models myself I can almost guarantee there will be no shields, unless it's a champion option.

That pub once said that HE archers would fire in two ranks. We all know how well that turned out.

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:58 am

I'm willing to guess that the "shields" writing is incorrect. We have no sign of shields in any of the pictures AND it just doesn't fit the fluff IMO.

-Rex

Silverheimdall · Post by **Silverheimdall** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:28 am

Yeah its the White Dwarf after all so we never know, I mean they still think Great Weapons give +2S when mounted.

Duffman327 · Post by **Duffman327** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:25 am

they may of kept the shields off the models in the pics to keep the tradition of corsairs flowing. i reckon they will have the shield option. optimism ppl

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:35 am

I'm merely skeptical because there is no pictures and no rumor has said they are getting shields.

We have had rumors of handbows, raider rule, bunch of other stuff like 100 VP for catching enemies etc... nothing about shields.

-Rex

Victor simic · Post by **Victor simic** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:09 am

I just can`t see ANY Elven Infantry getting a 3+ Armour Save against Shooting and Close Combat. The best I`m hoping for is a 4+ for both.

Or maybe even some kind of Ward Save...

Nah..they`re Dark Elves. GW wont be THAT kind !

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:11 am

As said elsewhere...don't believe everything written in that pamphlet

Arcturus · Post by **Arcturus** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:16 am

dalamar wrote:If you fall off the boat in icy northern waters you're better off drowning than freezing to death <.<

Actually, drowning is short but painfull, freezing is a bit longer, but quite painless, you just go numb and fade away. Guess it's up to personal opinion what is nicer.

As for the topic at hand, I think it's clear the corsair models have SDCs, but whatever the benefits from the cloak is, I can't say. They changed the High Elf lion cloak, didn't they, so it's likely that something might have changed with the SDC too.

3+ AS for T3 troops isn't really all that good, it's just a points cost question. For 7 points it's dirtcheap, for 16 it's useless.

Cheers

Minsc · Post by **Minsc** » Wed May 14, 2008 9:39 am

I wouldn't be surprised if GW turned Seadragon Cloaks into the kind of cloaks that White Lions have; i.e +2 vs shooting, no benefit in closecombat.

That would turn the corsairs into 3+ vs shooting, 4+ in close combat. (with shield). w/o shield it would be 4+ vs shooting, 6+ in close combat.

Post by **Dalamar** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:53 am

Actually, drowning is short but painfull, freezing is a bit longer, but quite painless, you just go numb and fade away. Guess it's up to personal opinion what is nicer.

I don't know about drowning (have you tried it? <.<) but I've had a few frostburns in my life and they were pretty painful.

And if SDC turns Lion Cloak... I'll just drop corsairs and keep using cheaper warriors for not so much worse save...

Tolkar of har ganeth · Wed May 14, 2008 11:28 am

Maybe they'll get shields, but the picture portrais them with two hand weapons. The chances are that you'll either equip them with shield, or with two hand weapons as shown here. I surely hpe the sea dragon cloak stays the same as it was. I always liked the fact that it was better than lion cloak :p.

Still, if you freeze to death in cold water, you'll die because you can't stay afloat, and you'll drown...

Kheirakh · Post by **Kheirakh** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:32 am

The corsairs DO have light armours, just look at the models, they're covered with armour!

I think that the shield option is true. They just can't write something like that from out of nowhere to the White Dwarf. Ok, they have had minor mistakes before, but this can't be a mistake.

Why would they change the rules for SDCs? Come on, this is GW we are talking about. When they release new models, they will give them super-rules because they want us to buy all the models we can. Remember the basic rules for business?

Let's not start being negative just yet. We will get the rules pretty soon, and I believe that corsairs will be good!

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:41 pm

Kheirakh, Dark Alliance has said multiple times to not believe everything in the pamphlet, thats enough for me to believe shields aren't coming. It makes no sense because are you really gonna take Spearelves over 3+/3+ save corsairs? Not unless they are a lot cheaper. Plus shields make no sense on a ship-ship raid.

I'm in Dark Alliance's boat. (Haha, get it?)

-Rex

Post by **Underway** » Wed May 14, 2008 8:29 pm

Another thing, where are people getting this crap about Great weapons. The picture says "dual handed weapons".

Dual handed weapons are GW's. Halberds are dual handed, two hand weapons are dual handed, bows are dual handed, RXB's dual handed, those Glade guard fighting staves are dual handed. Pike dual handed etc...

Classic case of reading what you want to see not what is really there.

Corsairs will not have GW's. The option is not available on their sprue. Two hand weapons yes, but not GW's.

Unless of course Games Workshop releases models with different rules than the brand new plastic indicates, and we all know that doesn't happen. Anymore....

Wed May 14, 2008 8:43 pm

Underway. eh no one said anything about them having Great weapons.