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How to beat those cowardly High Elves?

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EluiAsur wrote:
Are we gonna see non-COB lists?


It's still gonna be pretty vulnerable in armies that can't throw a stubborn screen in front of it to protect it... So I will expect it to be left out of many cav armies or dragon armies. Also, it doesn't work on mounts so monster and cav heavy armies have another reason to leave it out.

Personally I will be trying a bunch of infantry armies to start out since my all mounted army worked fine in 6th but my infantry was pretty much outclassed by my opponent's choices. Now I am gonna go infantry heavy for the first dozen games or so. I imagine a cauldron will find it's way into 90% of those lists. The versatility is the key for me. The way I can spread the gifts within 24" means the right guys will have the right tools most of the time.
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I tend to favour infantry heavy lists, (but always include that unit of cold ones as my flank destroyer). If you plan on using a lot of infantry witches will never be far behind with their cheap cost now... If you can place black guard withces and execs right infront of it and just grind your way up the field its an EXCELLENT unit. i would consider making the the BSB too if you don't plan on using another character for a BSB cuz you don't actually need to pay for a standard and it's a cheap way to make you're line effectiveily unbreakable with everything being stubborn and a reroll. Slap your general into the black guard at your center and you have a Ld10 stubborn with reroll wall of pointy elven steel... The cauldron CAN be a great addition, if you don't plan on flying up the field with CoK and fast cav...
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@ KrystalIce2020

Excellent points. I don't see myself fielding it often as there are so many good choices in the list now I will not want to drop the points on it.
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i'v got a question about magic, any one know wich spell can be cast in to/from combat? WofP? Blade Wind? Soul Sleler? [those in 6ed. could if i remember...]
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can we take two cauldrons ? for an all witch force or somethign similar
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yes we can
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Post by Dullmentalracket »

I'm thinking about doing it, probably not the best army, but sounds like a lot of fun.

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maybe a hero with that antimagic item on a peg
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I got to look at the book quickly today. One thing I noticed is off is the rules for the the king. The way it actually works is if you hit the opponent (not wound) you get one 4+ roll per combat to destroy a magic item or level. So you roll to hit, roll to destroy magic items, roll to wound, then roll armor save. This is much better because you can destroy armor before he even needs to roll a save.
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Agelmar - does the weapon full on destroy the armour, meaning the enemy has no save, or simply remove its magical effect, meaning the enemy still has light/heavy armour or whatever underneath. If its the first, thats very potent :D basically means he can take out an enemy character for sure.
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Heartrender wrote:Agelmar - does the weapon full on destroy the armour, meaning the enemy has no save, or simply remove its magical effect, meaning the enemy still has light/heavy armour or whatever underneath. If its the first, thats very potent :D basically means he can take out an enemy character for sure.


The weapon he uses is called the Destroyer, does that answer your question?
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What about the Draich of Dark Power, Wand of Kharaidon, Rubric of Dark Dimensions, Mystic Shield of Light, Heart Stone of Darkness or the Cloak of Dark Souls? Are they still there?
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Nope, not from what I remember seeing.
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"The weapon he uses is called the Destroyer, does that answer your question?"

No it doesnt.
No offense but when people make assumptions like that, confusion and mistakes occur. Fluff =/= rules. I would expect it to destroy the item but I cant tell just based on the name.
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Hawillis wrote:"The weapon he uses is called the Destroyer, does that answer your question?"

No it doesnt.
No offense but when people make assumptions like that, confusion and mistakes occur. Fluff =/= rules. I would expect it to destroy the item but I cant tell just based on the name.


:| .... It was a joke mate... I never meant Fluff =/= rules, I trying to clarify through a witty sentence and as there aren't many opportunities around here, I saw the chance and took. Indeed, the Destroyer does destroy the item - Just like it did in 6th.
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masterofdarkness wrote:Well it was posted that we might get cheaper powerstones(20points?) so maybe combine that with lifetaker or take tome of furion with it. Darkstar isnt as necessary now that we have mega powerdice phases, still a really good item though


Power stones are cheaper.
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Post by Talonz »

Assassin running around with 3x BS9 S7 shots a turn with the right load out (depending on target).


Shouldn't that be S6, with manbane?

Death Hag ... up to 50 pts of gifts of khaine.


50 or 25?

Word of Pain, lasts until start of next DE magic phase? (otherwise it would have no effect on enemy shooting)
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Shurikens add +1 to the strength. Against T5 targets, these will be S7. Instant kill chariots!
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Derikari: That is going to be heavily debated on when the shuriken actually takes affect.

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Post by Thanee »

Talonz wrote:50 or 25?


50, of course. She's a Heroine. Gifts just take the place of Magic Items for her.

25 for the Hag Champion. That's probably the source of confusion, since both are Hags.

Word of Pain, lasts until start of next DE magic phase? (otherwise it would have no effect on enemy shooting)


Of course it stays in effect during the opponent's turn as well.

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Post by Calisson »

Hi mates!

IAW Druchii.net rules, I erased any accurate mention of pts in the first page of the thread.
This is because I have seen the Army Book available for consultation in my favorite shop. So now I'm not pretending anymore to report just mere rumors. By the way, I did not check every single detail. Some tiny differences may remain, but nothing obvious.

Hopefully everybody had a chance to save the cost somwhere until they can buy the book (I will be able to do it only in the beginning of August, 16 more days to wait).

This thread is going to die in 17 days.
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Post by Talonz »

Question;

Assassin and Hag can take ONLY Gifts of Khaine, no magical item except the BS for Death Hag.



What is the "BS"?


Cloak Steed of Shadows [Name not remembered]


What is the proper name for this?
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Post by Monkeylord »

I think he meant Battle Standard.

And yeah, I'm curious: What *is* the name for the Steed of Shadows cloak?
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Calisson, thank you once again for going through the work of compiling and updating the rumours - I have lost count of how often I browsed the front page to consult its contents for this idea or that question - and I *still* can't wait for the postman delivering my spearhead! - But I digress: You have provided an invaluable service for me, all of us Druchii and all those lurkers of the lesser races and I hope our gods will award you with countless killing blows and a gorgeous cheerleader to applaud you for rolling them! 8) :D ;)
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Post by Milney »

MonkeyLord wrote:I think he meant Battle Standard.

And yeah, I'm curious: What *is* the name for the Steed of Shadows cloak?


Cloak of Twilight :)
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Post by Monkeylord »

That'll do. :)

Though I think a more worthy title would be "Cloak of OMFGASSASSIN IN YER FACE FTW!!11!"
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