The new book summary, as reported by Milney

Silverheimdall · Post by **Silverheimdall** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:36 am

Huh...

Exec Axe is a magic Weapon.
ASF Banner isn't limited to Khainites on the contrary, only the Death Hag can take it among the khainites.

So Dreadlord with exec axe with Black Guards that ASF, deadly.

Mr. anderson · Post by **Mr. anderson** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:42 am

:oops: sorry... Somehow (don't ask me how) I read that you wrote something along the lines of a character with EA in a unit of ASF executioners... Sleep deprivation, ya know

Sorry for the confusion.

HUZZAH!

Deep one · Post by **Deep one** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:56 am

Am I missing something or is the new Hangman's Axe really good against opponents packing high T, high W thingies? - With a little luck, a Dreadlord on Dragon could go through two Bloodthirsters/Treemen/HE Dragons/Steamtanks in one combat phase ... :shock:

Aspiring executioner · Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:11 pm

It is but it's only problem is it's high cost so you can't really buy much protection for your dreadlord. BTW it's not new we have it in the current book. A better option IMO is Caledor's Bane, Reverse Ward Save Pendant, AoES on dragon or if that's illegal then mundane lance and same protetcion stuff on dragon. That is only slightly outclassed by the Exec Axe but the lord has much more protection for when it goes wrong...

Deep one · Post by **Deep one** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:29 pm

Aspiring Executioner wrote:It is but it's only problem is it's high cost so you can't really buy much protection for your dreadlord. BTW it's not new we have it in the current book. A better option IMO is Caledor's Bane, Reverse Ward Save Pendant, AoES on dragon or if that's illegal then mundane lance and same protetcion stuff on dragon. That is only slightly outclassed by the Exec Axe but the lord has much more protection for when it goes wrong...

Sorry, I was a bit unclear. I should have written "the Hangman's Axe and its new ability to do D3 damage". Always wounding on 2+ and negating most AS is all nice and peachy, but the D3 is the icing on the cake for me. !smile! And of course, you are right the DL will drop over dead if anybody so much as sneezes at him, but I consider this more a feature than a bug; the magic items are incedible, but there are always tough choices to make as there is so much goodness that I'll never be able to have all the shiny thingies I want to take!

Edited to add a questions for those who have read the book: What effect does the Dragon's Egg breath weapon have?

Artein · Post by **Artein** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:36 pm

Isn't Exe' Axe "models on foot only"?

Aspiring executioner · Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:38 pm

I'll have to try out the Exec Axe for some fun as soon as we get the book... So many things I have to trial... I'm like a kid in a gigantic candy store and able to eat whatever I want...
@Artein
It isn't currently so I wouldn't think it is for 7th Ed. unless someone can prove me wrong?

Jankiel · Post by **Jankiel** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:18 pm

Dreadlord on Dragon could go through two Bloodthirsters/Treemen/HE Dragons/Steamtanks in one combat phase ...

Executioners axe is "model on foot only"
So the best protection for highborn with axe is blood armour. Unfortunately.

I very like highborn on foot option, so pendant of khaeleth will go to bsb on CO. With enchanted shield we've got 0+ AS - wonderful model for catching and holding treemans, dragons or daemons.

Moonblade · Post by **Moonblade** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:37 pm

Err, could you please explain to me how do you achieve 0+ AS with BSB and? Does SDC still provide +1/+2AS? Or am I missing something...

Getwisteerd · Post by **Getwisteerd** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:42 pm

Cold one, enchanted shield, heavy armour, sea dragon cloak. 0+/-1+ armour save.

And if the exe's axe is models on foot only, what's the use of it?

Whysmerhill · Post by **Whysmerhill** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:53 pm

I found the best combo against the inverse ward save : the spell of shadow who ilnflict 3D6 hits F1 !!! witout armour save!

Moonblade · Post by **Moonblade** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:09 pm

Aren't SDC rumored to halve the STR of incoming shooting attacks in which case I pretty much doubt it will continue to provide the fore-mentioned AS bonus. However STR/2 seems rather powerful, just imagine a cannon ball hit of STR 5 with only -2 penalty to Armor Save... It's so good that I doubt it will turn out to be true.

Whysmerhill, you hit it. However characters will often be inside a unit or on monstrous mount which will cause at least 2/3 of the hits to be resolved against other models and STR1 still means a 1/6 WS effectively. And that spell has low casting value which means it won't be so hard to dispell either. With Null Shards being around...

Mr. anderson · Post by **Mr. anderson** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:17 pm

a cannon ball hit of STR 5 with only -2 penalty to Armor Save

Won't happen. Cannon balls always ignore armor, no matter their strength. And I think (not sure though) that this item which halves the strength of shooting attacks is a magical item, not the usual SDC.

HUZZAH!

Silverheimdall · Post by **Silverheimdall** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:38 pm

a magical SDC - if it halves the S of a cannon ball, still wounds you on 2+ and still ignores your armor, hah.

Against stone throwers though, S2 if not in the center of the template.

Moonblade · Post by **Moonblade** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:39 pm

Mmm, forgive me for my sudden lack of memory. So you say SDC remain basically the same. And there's a magic SDC that confers the strength-halving ability. Any idea if it's a talisman?

Post by **Loki** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:42 pm

My guess would be on armor.

Post by **Calisson** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:48 pm

Anyone knows about Death Hag's WS and BS?

Can BSB have any magic item (or gift of Khaine if Death Hag)?

"talisman Null Shard (15pts) Gives the bearer Magic Resistance 1. Multiple Null Shards can be bought and the effect stacks. " can they be bought for different characters?

Any shield option for BG?

Thanks.

Post by **Rork** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:09 pm

Calisson wrote:Anyone knows about Death Hag's WS and BS?

Their stats are nearly identical to a noble's. Their initiative is likely to be higher, though.

Any shield option for BG?

Black Guard don't use shields...

Post by **Dark Alliance** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:05 pm

Calisson wrote:Anyone knows about Death Hag's WS and BS? 6 for both

Can BSB have any magic item (or gift of Khaine if Death Hag)? Yes

"talisman Null Shard (15pts) Gives the bearer Magic Resistance 1. Multiple Null Shards can be bought and the effect stacks. " can they be bought for different characters? yes

Any shield option for BG? no

Thanks.

Deep one · Post by **Deep one** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:06 pm

Dark Alliance wrote:

*Tugs DA*

Mr. Dark Alliance, Sir? Could you please tell me what effect the Black Dragon Egg's breath weapon has? - Thank you in advance! !smile!

Post by **Rork** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:32 pm

Deep One wrote:Mr. Dark Alliance, Sir? Could you please tell me what effect the Black Dragon Egg's breath weapon has? - Thank you in advance! !smile!

The same as the Black Dragon's breath attack would be the logical answer

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Blacknark · Post by **Blacknark** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:36 pm

I don't know if this is a bit off-topic, but it's quite good for our eyes

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=534848

Patrizzo · Post by **Patrizzo** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:47 pm

Sweet, Ws5 is good. Seems like they've put knights in the chariots. S4 has been mentioned before.

Hiss · Post by **Hiss** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:51 pm

Anyone knows about Death Hag's WS and BS? 6 for both

Can BSB have any magic item (or gift of Khaine if Death Hag)? Yes

"talisman Null Shard (15pts) Gives the bearer Magic Resistance 1. Multiple Null Shards can be bought and the effect stacks. " can they be bought for different characters? yes

Any shield option for BG? no

Thanks.

Thanks for the CT and null shard,

The others questions was :

-can BSB take a shield ?
-If the BSB is the D Hag can she take magic banner as she can't take any magic item except from Khaine's gift (and banners are magic items) ?
if yes
Can she take a magic banner and gift as gift aren't magic object ? :?:

Beside:
-What about mount option for the D Hag, nothing except cauldron ?
What is the US of the cauldron ?
-Can we have the Master price ?
-Do the caster and the unit has to be in the range of the ring of hotek to protect a unit or only the unit in the range is enough

Thanks by advance.

The same as the Black Dragon's breath attack would be the logical answer

I do agree but could be the wearer strength ...etc...sometimes answers are really stranges

Dies irae · Post by **Dies irae** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:30 am

I take it the CoB is not a large target anymore?