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Scyloc wrote:Setomidir, they dont have any handlers at all.

Scyloc wrote:Just part of the model. They have no effect on the rules in any way. They have no attacks or anything.

Scyloc wrote:Just part of the model. They have no effect on the rules in any way. They have no attacks or anything.

Setomidor wrote:

Scyloc wrote:Just part of the model. They have no effect on the rules in any way. They have no attacks or anything.

Are you 100% certain? The rules summaries just say "no Monsters and Handler rule".

If they are left completely without Handlers they will only be LD6, which means they can never leave the LD range of the general.

Jossy wrote:I can tell you now reading from the book that the War Hydra and Khardribble (whatever) has unit type "monster" and there is no special rule at all printed in the bestiary, army list selection or summary called "monster & handler" or indeed anything like it.

It may be an oversight and get errata'd, but as the book stands now, no monster and handler

Jossy wrote:Black lotus (15) each unsaved wound causes permanent -1 Ld - includes ranged

hand weapon + thrown weapon

Gotta disagree with hero.

Dark elves don't have any of the stuff that makes "hard tournament lists": They don't have easy access to 1+/2+ armor saves, they don't have easy access to high strength, they don't have powerful flying monsters, hard-as-nails characters, monstrous cavalry, ...

The things that kept DE in the runnings are gone and replaced with fluffy low strength infantry stuff and weak monsters. Once in a blue moon their strengths will shine and they will win a thing. But consistently doing great against "the big Four"? I don't see it. What's a chaos army w/ core heavy chariots and MC and demon princes going to fear? A cannon toting, demigryph riding, light council empire army?

I tell you: the new DE are back at where they started 4 editions in the past: Fluffy, interesting ... and mostly harmless. A bit like orcs without war machines and manglers.

Give me silverhelms, frosthearts, eagles, dragon princes, the best magic item collection in the game any day of the week over them.

I agree with what most of Hero said. I do have some concerns over the Hydra however. The fact that it lost its hatred and regen isn't such a massive nerf as far as we're concerned. For 180 points they still have a monster that can decimate one of our (non-PG) infantry units if it gets to combat with enough wounds to not die straight away. It's still hard for us to kill in one turn of shooting, and it cant be wounded and left alone for infantry to finish off anymore as it's wounds come back.

If your whole army shoots at it, it might die, but those Witch Elves will be alive and well when they hit your lines. It has been nerfed, and we can deal with it, but it's still way too cheap for what it's capable of, and we have to be aware of that.

Hydra is T5 with 6 Wounds? And sporting a 4+ AS with no Regen save. If your White Lions or Swordmasters can't dish out 6 Wounds on 3+ to hit, 4+ to wound (3+ in WL case) and it have a 6+ AS or No save against them, then your dice handed your opponent the game. I personally am not afraid of the Hydra. And will save my shooting for other targets.

Setomidor wrote:

Jossy wrote:I can tell you now reading from the book that the War Hydra and Khardribble (whatever) has unit type "monster" and there is no special rule at all printed in the bestiary, army list selection or summary called "monster & handler" or indeed anything like it.

It may be an oversight and get errata'd, but as the book stands now, no monster and handler

Yes, but are there actual handlers? Like riders of a Chariot?

Scyloc wrote:Jossy, can you confirm that Masters and Dreadlords can still take a Dark Pegasus as mount? 25 slaves still?

And most importantly, can they still take a Sea Dragon Cloak as mundane equipment?

If you have the time, can you tell us about the Bloodwrack Throne and Medusa?