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can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:04 pm
by Snoopy
People keep calling me on it .I do take them both.so why is it legal? Or am I wrong. .
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:08 pm
by Dalamar
It's perfectly fine and keeps you extra warm in the cold winters of Naggaroth.
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:23 pm
by T.D.
Is it possible to wear two or more jumpers at the same time?
Yes it is.Conclusive proof.
Or see BRB p173 'What's in a Name?'
For additional clarity: Sea Dragon Cloak is
mundane armour, Cloak of Twihard is an
Enchanted Item. If the Cloak was magic armour there would be a conflict ...but it is not
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:03 pm
by Snoopy
Sweet!
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:52 pm
by flatworldsedge
It does create modelling/conversion challenges for the OCD/literal minded like myself!
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:14 pm
by Amboadine
flatworldsedge wrote:It does create modelling/conversion challenges for the OCD/literal minded like myself!
Well it is described in the book as being all but invisible, so you have a little leeway in modelling
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:35 pm
by Christoph
Since it's supposedly made of hair, you could always model it after every Japanese horror movie/game ghost ever. =D
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:36 pm
by Red...
You could model the cloak like a bull fighter's cape...
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:53 am
by Saintofm
You can say they are one in the same visualy and fluff wise.
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:35 am
by Thraundil
Actually, in reply to T.D.'s otherwise excellent post, nowhere is is stated that a sea dragon cloak is a mundane armor... If it was, then heavy armor and sea dragon cloak would not stack - but they do stack, evidence: in all our character's entries, they have an option to take both, not either/or.
The item description simply states: "This confers the scaly skin (5+) special rule".
So, in combining SDC and Cloak of Twilight: what T.D. said, except SDC isnt even mundane armor. Its just a 'nondescript' item (well its obviously a cloak
)
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:07 pm
by Red...
A very astute observation Thaundril
Give the cloak of twilight and a sacrificial dagger to a supreme sorceress - voila: a bonafide cloak and dagger character
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:39 pm
by T.D.
It provides an armour saving throw. Hence armour.
It is neither a magical save nor a magic item. Hence mundane.
But splitting hairs aside it's not an Enchanted Item, which is the main thing
Give the cloak of twilight and a sacrificial dagger to a supreme sorceress - voila: a bonafide cloak and dagger character
Not very optimal but worth playing at least once for the lulz
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:03 pm
by Thraundil
In my opinion, still no T.D. :p
Providing an armour saving throw does not necessarily make an item a piece of armour. For instance: put a sorcerer on a dark steed or a cold one will give her a 6+ or 5+ armour saving throw. Is the horse a piece of armour? I'd say no
But also... SDC does not provide an armour saving throw.
The sea dragon cloak confers a special rule - the scaly skin special rule, to be precise. The special rule confers the armour saving throw, not the item itself... Unlike the chaos armour, which confers a 4+ armour save directly. While scaly skin gives an armor save, it is not in itself armour. A lizardman kroxigor has a scaly skin armour save, but is not wearing armour.
So I'd still argue that the sea dragon cloak is just a mundane item with no specific 'type'.
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:13 pm
by T.D.
BRB P. 179.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:36 pm
by Dyvim tvar
T.D. wrote:But splitting hairs aside it's not an Enchanted Item, which is the main thing
Exactly. If there is no game effect based on the issue, why is it being argued?
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:01 pm
by Gidean
Dalamar wrote:It's perfectly fine and keeps you extra warm in the cold winters of Naggaroth.
LOL!
Re: can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:40 am
by Gidean
Wow has this thread derailed or what?
MOD's edit:
indeed.
Derailed posts moved to BRB = ???.
Calisson