ETC 2015 - Draft 0

How to beat those cowardly High Elves?

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ETC 2015 - Draft 0

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Dark Elves
May select up to 5 choices from the pool below:
Each character using the Lore of Death – 2 choices
Each unit of 5 Doomfire Warlocks – 1 choice
Each unit of 6 or more Doomfire warlocks – 2 choices
Each mounted dreadlord or master – 1 choice
One or more repeater bolt throwers– 1 choice
Each unit of dark riders after the second - 1 choice
Standard of Discipline, Crown of Command – 1 Choice each
More than 80 shots per turn - 2 choices


I actually quite like this. It is flexible, while still taking the edges out of our worst power builds. Does anyone have any ideas on how to build lists given these restrictions?
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It seems perfect for last years powerlevel. However this year, they go for a higher powerlevel with a less restrictive comp in general, which leads me to believe that DEs are hit a bit too hard with this draft.

But playtesting will tell. :)
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It seems a bit harsh... But will also take the edge off the glaring OP builds that aired during the 2014 season.

I'd say 4 RBTs are pretty much mandatory, taking one choice out of the 5.

One thing I do note is that mounted sorcerers do not count towards the pool. In addition, there is no limit on the number of dark riders, just the number of units. Last, but not least, there is no limit on the amount of warlocks past 6, its still just 2 choices. The following build springs to mind:

Dreadlord on steed (1)
Master BSB on steed (1)
Lvl 4 on steed, lore of beasts, power scroll
Lvl 2 on steed, lore of dark magic, dispel scroll
2x15 dark riders with crossbows and shields. Maybe stick a champ in there too for some safety.
4 RBT's (1)
Up to 19 warlocks (2)

And then whatever light support might be added here.

Game plan: take everything off the board with strong magic missile presence and shooting, give absolutely no points back since your entire damned army is M9 fast cav, and if you're feeling gutsy, slam the lock-star into the enemy face first, power scrolling / IF-hoping a bubbled savage beast. Yes, not ideal to put your wizards in the front rank. But either they pump out 4 S6 ASF attacks on top of the master+dreadlords combined 13 ASF S9 attacks, or you can simply reform to only be 3 wide. Wont break anybodys steadfast, but your wizards are safe and your combatchars can assassinate enemy characters.

I can see dark elves becoming a prime point denial force. Big time. I'd be surprised if this comp stands unmodified. The 4 pegasus list is hit hard, but an all-mounted DE list is perfectly doable. Its not a 20-0 everything potential kind of army like the pegasus list, but its a list that can claim multiple, stable 14-15 point wins.
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Hm
Cool draft, my current ETC list with double warlock cokbus and cobwitches is totally legit :)))
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@ Thraundil: I am not convinced by your list. All the units have an extremely large footprint. They are very vulnerable to small arms shooting, magic missiles or slaanesh magic. The dark riders can be pinned down by a single chariot. Even an eagle might be enough. And two heroes are not that many. Too much depends on getting the savage beast off, it seems.

I will gladly read a report after you try it out, though. :)
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I agree, that 4rbt are mandatory... So I started with maximising the 80-shot restriction...

10 Dark Riders shields, RxB, musican, standard
9 Shades
9 Shades
4 Repeater Bolt thrower

Seems pretry scary, and it even includes 1 fortitude unit...

Startung, balanced list could look like this:
(Or drop peg from sorc and 1 DR for 4 more witches and 1 shade)

LORDS
L4 Supreme sorceress (Heavens) on Dark pegasus Dispell Scroll, Cloak of Twilight, Obsidian Trinket 360
Dreadlord on Dark steed HA,SDC,Dragonhelm,Giant blade, Dawn stone 269
HEROES
Master on dark Pegasus SH,SDC,Lance, Armour of destiny 184
Master on dark Pegasus - BSB Talisman of Preservation, Charmed shield, SDC, HA, LN 211
CORE
12 Witch elves standart, musican, Banner of eternal flame 162
14 Dark Riders shields, st, mus 258
10 Dark Riders shields, RxB, musican, standard 220
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9 Shades GW 162
9 Shades GW 162
4 Repeater Bolt thrower 280
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5 Doomfire Warlocks 125
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Haha, jeez, the "80 shots per turn" is super harsh considering repeater crossbows!

And yeah. My list has super huge footprints. It was also just a super fast draft. In a real game I might play something else :P
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I feel a light council may have some merit now that we have access to so many mounted mages. Timewarped Witch Elves are pretty nasty.
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I think the ristrictions are total and utter crap. my current list would need like..... 16 points WTF?
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Killerk wrote:I think the ristrictions are total and utter crap. my current list would need like..... 16 points WTF?


Take it as a compliment. Clearly, ETC designers would concur that your list is solid and hard to beat.
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And bear in mind special characters are in.
Yet this draft is the first one, and more restrictions will be designed around them. But I hope AR commitee will pursue this revolution!
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A list I have been thinking about for a while now that fits the restrictions

Malekith
Cold one

Master BSB
Cold one
normal mundane
ToP, iron curse

2x 5 DR muso, Sh, RXB

2x 10 DR muso, banner, Sh, RXB

10 CoK FC, +1 movement

4x RBT

2x 5 warlocks

2x 5 Harpies
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strategem wrote:A list I have been thinking about for a while now that fits the restrictions

Malekith
Cold one

Master BSB
Cold one
normal mundane
ToP, iron curse

2x 5 DR muso, Sh, RXB

2x 10 DR muso, banner, Sh, RXB

10 CoK FC, +1 movement

4x RBT

2x 5 warlocks

2x 5 Harpies


But this is more or less what I would play with Malekith as Lord.

I would try to remove 1 unit of warlocks and 1 reaper to include a L1 with Dispell scroll (Death or Metal) and piercing banner for a bigger COK unit.
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strategem wrote:A list I have been thinking about for a while now that fits the restrictions

Malekith
Cold one

Master BSB (1 choice)
Cold one
normal mundane
ToP, iron curse

2x 5 DR muso, Sh, RXB (2 choices)

2x 10 DR muso, banner, Sh, RXB

10 CoK FC, +1 movement

4x RBT (1 choice)

2x 5 warlocks (2 choices)

2x 5 Harpies


This list is illegal... It has 6 choices and Malekith will be comped as well (probably 2-3 choices). So in total 8-9 choices ;)
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Shrot wrote:
strategem wrote:A list I have been thinking about for a while now that fits the restrictions

Malekith
Cold one

Master BSB (1 choice)
Cold one
normal mundane
ToP, iron curse

2x 5 DR muso, Sh, RXB (2 choices)

2x 10 DR muso, banner, Sh, RXB

10 CoK FC, +1 movement

4x RBT (1 choice)

2x 5 warlocks (2 choices)

2x 5 Harpies


This list is illegal... It has 6 choices and Malekith will be comped as well (probably 2-3 choices). So in total 8-9 choices ;)



yeah I should learn to count better at 2am :D
it has 84 shots not 80 so would have to drop the xbows off one of the units of 5
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strategem wrote:
Shrot wrote:
strategem wrote:A list I have been thinking about for a while now that fits the restrictions

Malekith
Cold one

Master BSB (1 choice)
Cold one
normal mundane
ToP, iron curse

2x 5 DR muso, Sh, RXB (2 choices)

2x 10 DR muso, banner, Sh, RXB

10 CoK FC, +1 movement

4x RBT (1 choice)

2x 5 warlocks (2 choices)

2x 5 Harpies


This list is illegal... It has 6 choices and Malekith will be comped as well (probably 2-3 choices). So in total 8-9 choices ;)



yeah I should learn to count better at 2am :D
it has 84 shots not 80 so would have to drop the xbows off one of the units of 5


I think, you will have to do more than that...

Malekith (1)
BSB (1)
80+shots (2)
more than 2 DR units (2)
Rbt (1)
2xWarlocks (2)

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