Hellborn and shrine of slaughter

[Fleebo]

Hi just been reading throug the army book and a idear popped in to my head ,
If you put Hellborn in the unit does the -3 penalty your enemy must take on the leader ship for fear cross over to maduceser terror ?

If not what are your views on taking her In this unit ?

[Red...]

I've tried reading this post several times and still can't understand you.

I can't tell whether I should change the word "shrine" to "sisters" (i.e. "sisters of slaughter" not "shrine of slaughter") or "slaughter" to "bloodwrack" (i.e. "bloodwrack shrine" not "shrine of slaughter")

Also, what on earth is "maduceser terror"? I guess it could be "Medusa terror"

Finally, I'm confused as to what you mean by the -3 leadership modifier. I think you may be talking about superfrenzy, which she has because she is both frenzied and has witchbrew, but that modifier applies to Hellebron, not your opponent's units...

[Vallers]

Agree, difficult to understand.

Although Hellebron has 'cry of war' which is -3 leadership to Fear tests taken.

Is that what you mean ?

[Fleebo]

Yes that is what I mean ,

Sorry I wrote this well driven

[Thraundil]

The -3 LD penalty is not used for terror checks. The cry of war explicitly states fear checks only

[Lord Drakon]

I guess Fleebo mean the following unit : http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?f= ... 59#p916442

Hm now you say it, Hellebron is our best infantry model available. The main drawback from putting Hellebron in the Shrine of Slaughter instead of COB Witch Horde is the lack of a 5+ ward save and therefore 1/3 less wounds inflicted. But there are some synergies.

The cry of war item does make it very likely for the enemy to fail all their fear tests as with Terror from the shrine she also causes fear into enemy units with fear. The - 1 LD from the Shrine adds to the - 3 of the Cry of War item, therefore - 4 LD for fear tests. So that gives here a huge protection not being hit the first place. Most things that cause terror or single models can be killed by her + impact hits. She also gives frenzy to the unit, adding + 1 attack per sister of slaughter. With this even when your shrine of slaughter is charged in front and both flanks they will very likely win combat.

The one big drawback is that the Shrine of Slaughter is very fragile against enemy shooting. With Hellebron you add another very glass cannon character of 310 point, making it a very juicy 660 point target. In my case where I like to have my LVL 4 also in it, thats around 1000 points ! But, it becomes much more magic resilience (+8 to dispell spells cast on the unit if you also have LVL 4) and in combat it will beat anything. If you can prevent it from being shot to death before combat you opponents is going to cry (a lot)

Good idea, I am going to try that setup for sure ! If I would swap BSB Manticore (same amount of points) for her I am taking life magic to make the unit more likely to survive enemy shooting phase (or regrow when reached combat + healing wounds on shrine)

[Melle]

Yes that is what I mean ,

Sorry I wrote this well driven

You write forum posts while driving ???

[Phierlihy]

Yes that is what I mean ,

Sorry I wrote this well driven

Forum rules prevent me from explicitly telling you exactly how low my opinion of you has just fallen.

Even worse, I suspect based upon what I'm seeing that this last post was also written while driving...

[Red...]

Yes that is what I mean ,

Sorry I wrote this well driven

Forum rules prevent me from explicitly telling you exactly how low my opinion of you has just fallen.

Even worse, I suspect based upon what I'm seeing that this last post was also written while driving...

I'm thinking he meant that he was in a passenger seat while typing on his phone. Let's hope so anyway I don't think there are many countries left that don't view typing into a phone while driving as being a criminal offence!

The main drawback from putting Hellebron in the Shrine of Slaughter instead of COB Witch Horde is the lack of a 5+ ward save and therefore 1/3 less wounds inflicted. But there are some synergies.

True, but they do still get a 6+ ward save from the Shrine, as well as their natural 6+ save from their shields. So that's a 6+/6++ save with the Cauldron versus the witches NA/5++ save with the Cauldron. Obviously NA/5++ is better than 6+/6++ as the latter can have its 6+ save removed by attacks with AP or S4 and above, but it's still closer than you might think...

[Calisson]

The greatest drawback of BwS + SoS is that both are rare.
Otherwise, with Hellebron and a Life Lvl4 inside, that seems to be a nice über-unit.
Still with the usual drawbacks of being frenzy and slow...

[T.D.]

Not everyone has the same degree of writing skills. Not everyone is writing in their native language.

Let's cut Fleebo a bit of slack people.

[Red...]

@T.D. I agree with you, but only to a point. I refer you (if I may, without being cheeky) to the D.Net site FAQ:

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In my original post, I wasn't attempting to be nasty about being unable to understand Fleebo - I just genuinely could not understand his sentences. The later clamor raised by some other posters did not relate directly to the quality of his prose, but his assertion that he wrote his questions and comments while driving. If this is literally true (i.e. he wrote out his questions while being the driver in a moving car) then it would be illegal in most locations around the world. I have argued, however, that he was probably a passenger using his phone and typing poorly on it.

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[T.D.]

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