Myt first attempt at a tournament MSU/E army.....
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Myt first attempt at a tournament MSU/E army.....
Having read through all the MSU/E posts all over this site, I thought, Hmm. Interesting. Should be fun. So I thought I would try my hand at it. So here is my list, and I would appreciate any and all input.
Characters
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Sorceress 127pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Dispel Scroll(x1)[25]
Mount: Dark Steed
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Sorceress 140pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Dispel Scroll(x1)[25]; Seal of Ghrond[25]
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Beastmaster 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Lance[4]; Blood Armour[20]
Mount: Dark Pegasus
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Noble (Dark Elf Noble) 129pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Lance[4]; Heavy Armour[4]; Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Enchanted Shield[10]; Crown of Black Iron[35]
Units
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 85pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]
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16 x Dark Elf Warriors 143pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]; Champion[10]
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12 x Corsairs 135pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons; Light Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak
Options: Musician[5]; Champion[10]
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Repeater crossbow[4]; Musician[5]
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12 x Executioners 187pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Musician[6]; Standard Bearer[12]; War Banner[25]
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11 x Executioners 151pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Musician[6]; Standard Bearer[12]
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12 x Black Guard 227pts
Base: Halberd; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[14]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Dark Riders 141pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Repeater crossbow[6]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Dark Riders 141pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Repeater crossbow[6]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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6 x Dark Riders 129pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Harpies 65pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons
Options: none
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1 x Reaper Bolt Thrower 100pts
Base: 2 crew with Hand weapon and Light Armour
Options: none
Characters
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Sorceress 127pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Dispel Scroll(x1)[25]
Mount: Dark Steed
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Sorceress 140pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Dispel Scroll(x1)[25]; Seal of Ghrond[25]
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Beastmaster 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Lance[4]; Blood Armour[20]
Mount: Dark Pegasus
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Noble (Dark Elf Noble) 129pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Lance[4]; Heavy Armour[4]; Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Enchanted Shield[10]; Crown of Black Iron[35]
Units
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 85pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]
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16 x Dark Elf Warriors 143pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]; Champion[10]
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12 x Corsairs 135pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons; Light Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak
Options: Musician[5]; Champion[10]
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Repeater crossbow[4]; Musician[5]
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12 x Executioners 187pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Musician[6]; Standard Bearer[12]; War Banner[25]
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11 x Executioners 151pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Musician[6]; Standard Bearer[12]
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12 x Black Guard 227pts
Base: Halberd; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[14]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Dark Riders 141pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Repeater crossbow[6]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Dark Riders 141pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Repeater crossbow[6]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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6 x Dark Riders 129pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Harpies 65pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons
Options: none
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1 x Reaper Bolt Thrower 100pts
Base: 2 crew with Hand weapon and Light Armour
Options: none
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The list is basically fine. There are many changes we can each suggest to suit our personal tastes, but it is apparent that you have read up on this subject by the very nature of what you have composed.
The thing with MSU is that you really need to play it, practice with it and find out for yourself what changes if any you need to make to be more effective.
As a starting army I say it is fine. As you games progress come here for more ideas and we will try to help you.
The thing with MSU is that you really need to play it, practice with it and find out for yourself what changes if any you need to make to be more effective.
As a starting army I say it is fine. As you games progress come here for more ideas and we will try to help you.
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I would include witch elves instead of one executioner regiment. They are good at different things. Including both makes your army more flexible.
And yes, MSU takes practice. I know cause I'm still learning the hard way.
Lord Slayer
And yes, MSU takes practice. I know cause I'm still learning the hard way.
Lord Slayer
You call war dangerous? I make fun of the asassin, and I sleep with the Witch Elves. War is as safe as it gets for me.
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Cheers guys.
This is why I love this site. People actaually care about others. Which is something you don't see on the GW boards.
That is what I was thinking though, I plan to test the army to death and see how it performs. As for the Witch Elves, I dislike frenzied troop, sorry I mean hate them. I find them tactuicly to inflexible and constantly dissapointing.
I have used hem before, and whilst they have a lot of advantages, I find the small number of disadvantages to be too great for my playing style. It could well be that I expect more from them then they can give, but it is also because I find frenzt to much of a hinderance - and with a cost of 13pts each even a small unit is worth a fair few points.
This is why I love this site. People actaually care about others. Which is something you don't see on the GW boards.
That is what I was thinking though, I plan to test the army to death and see how it performs. As for the Witch Elves, I dislike frenzied troop, sorry I mean hate them. I find them tactuicly to inflexible and constantly dissapointing.
I have used hem before, and whilst they have a lot of advantages, I find the small number of disadvantages to be too great for my playing style. It could well be that I expect more from them then they can give, but it is also because I find frenzt to much of a hinderance - and with a cost of 13pts each even a small unit is worth a fair few points.
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Would this list work better do you think?
Basically I have dropped one Sorceress and the black guard, re-equiped my noble, put in a second RBT and a HB. Do you think this list will work better or worse?
Characters
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Dark Elf Highborn 256pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Heavy Armour[6]; Sea Dragon Cloak[9]; Shield[3]; Crown of Black Iron[35]; Gauntlet of Power[60]
Mount: Dark Steed
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Dark Elf Noble 131pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Lance[4]; Heavy Armour[4]; Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Enchanted Shield[10]; Seal of Ghrond[25]
Mount: Dark Steed
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Sorceress 140pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Dispel Scroll(x2)[50]
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Beastmaster 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Lance[4]; Blood Armour[20]
Mount: Dark Pegasus
Units
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16 x Dark Elf Warriors 153pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]; Champion[10]; Standard Bearer[10]
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Repeater crossbow[4]; Musician[5]
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12 x Corsairs 145pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons; Light Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak
Options: Musician[5]; Champion[10]; Standard Bearer[10]
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 85pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]
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12 x Executioners 181pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Standard Bearer[12]; War Banner[25]
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10 x Executioners 140pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Musician[6]; Standard Bearer[12]
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5 x Dark Riders 141pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Repeater crossbow[6]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Dark Riders 111pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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6 x Dark Riders 129pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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6 x Harpies 78pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons
Options: none
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1 x Reaper Bolt Thrower 100pts
Base: 2 crew with Hand weapon and Light Armour
Options: none
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1 x Reaper Bolt Thrower 100pts
Base: 2 crew with Hand weapon and Light Armour
Options: none
Basically I have dropped one Sorceress and the black guard, re-equiped my noble, put in a second RBT and a HB. Do you think this list will work better or worse?
Characters
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Dark Elf Highborn 256pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Heavy Armour[6]; Sea Dragon Cloak[9]; Shield[3]; Crown of Black Iron[35]; Gauntlet of Power[60]
Mount: Dark Steed
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Dark Elf Noble 131pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Lance[4]; Heavy Armour[4]; Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Enchanted Shield[10]; Seal of Ghrond[25]
Mount: Dark Steed
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Sorceress 140pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Dispel Scroll(x2)[50]
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Beastmaster 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon
Options: Sea Dragon Cloak[6]; Lance[4]; Blood Armour[20]
Mount: Dark Pegasus
Units
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16 x Dark Elf Warriors 153pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]; Champion[10]; Standard Bearer[10]
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 125pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Repeater crossbow[4]; Musician[5]
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12 x Corsairs 145pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons; Light Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak
Options: Musician[5]; Champion[10]; Standard Bearer[10]
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10 x Dark Elf Warriors 85pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour
Options: Shield[1]; Spear (Infantry)[0]; Musician[5]
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12 x Executioners 181pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Standard Bearer[12]; War Banner[25]
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10 x Executioners 140pts
Base: Great Weapon; Heavy Armour
Options: Champion[12]; Musician[6]; Standard Bearer[12]
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5 x Dark Riders 141pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Repeater crossbow[6]; Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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5 x Dark Riders 111pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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6 x Dark Riders 129pts
Base: Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Spear;
Options: Musician[7]; Standard Bearer[14]
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6 x Harpies 78pts
Base: Two Hand Weapons
Options: none
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1 x Reaper Bolt Thrower 100pts
Base: 2 crew with Hand weapon and Light Armour
Options: none
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1 x Reaper Bolt Thrower 100pts
Base: 2 crew with Hand weapon and Light Armour
Options: none
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No, I am having to buy all the models due to the fact I left my original DE army on the train. So it might be a while. But I appreciate you very positive view - alot.
My problem with the new list is the loss of the BG. I have a feeling that they could be very useful and I would rather not right them out of the equation just yet.
So I came up with the following modifications to the original list:
Drop the DR musicians from the two units with RXBs, drop one DR from the 6 strong unit, and the warbanner.
Then all the characters change to:
Sorceress (2 D. Scrolls, DS)
Beast master (DP, BA, SDC,LA)
Noble (Halberd/GW, AoD, Seal of Ghrond) either on foot or dark steed.
HB (LA, HA, SDC, CoBI, Enchanted Sheild, Biting blade (for etheral creatures).
This way I keep the BG who could be invaluble, loose 1 dispel dice, and gain more combat ability. Do you think these modifications to the first list make it better then the second list? This way I can then change the BG for anything I want at a later date. For example more magic items for the HB, anothe rbolt rthougher, more harpies, more executioners etc....
Well that is what I plan to do. But do I mount the noble on foot or on a DS?
My problem with the new list is the loss of the BG. I have a feeling that they could be very useful and I would rather not right them out of the equation just yet.
So I came up with the following modifications to the original list:
Drop the DR musicians from the two units with RXBs, drop one DR from the 6 strong unit, and the warbanner.
Then all the characters change to:
Sorceress (2 D. Scrolls, DS)
Beast master (DP, BA, SDC,LA)
Noble (Halberd/GW, AoD, Seal of Ghrond) either on foot or dark steed.
HB (LA, HA, SDC, CoBI, Enchanted Sheild, Biting blade (for etheral creatures).
This way I keep the BG who could be invaluble, loose 1 dispel dice, and gain more combat ability. Do you think these modifications to the first list make it better then the second list? This way I can then change the BG for anything I want at a later date. For example more magic items for the HB, anothe rbolt rthougher, more harpies, more executioners etc....
Well that is what I plan to do. But do I mount the noble on foot or on a DS?
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