This is all the more reason why you need your sacraficial units. Force him to fail charges to disrupt his battle line.
Dwarves dont charge. They stand, shoot and bounce of MSU units. They also have no flanks. So you cant "lure them" or "outsmart them". Atleast all Dwarf generals I play against.
Same for my local Chaos player. His Tzeenetch army doesnt hestiate to charge me. He knows I am M5 so I propably charge anyway or flee from his charge. He tries to take out my Sorcereeses and RBT with Furies and Screamers and blow the rest of the army with
HEAVY magic. The rest dies from chariot, Knights and MSU Chaos Infantry. Its realy hard to beat his army with DE MSU. Im wining with him only by luck (his BAD LUCK - he rolls many miscasts ending Magic phase).
I think that defence is a great way to deal with MSU. But only for some armies. I agree that any horde wont stand DE shooting/magic and will be forced to charge sooner or later.
Have you tried USING MSU yet, for at lest half a dozen games, or are you merely speculating? I have the feeling you haven't even tried it yet.
C'mon. I ve been playing similar list for over 7-8 months. I tried
many tactics - just for fun. So I used "BIG blocks", and "many small units", "monsters", "heavy magic", "all cav" and so on...
My favorite type is MSE - very similar to msu - Multiple Small Elites backed up with "not-too-big" core infantry. Here is a sketch of my typical army I play A LOT:
2x lvl2 Sorceress
sometimes Noble
15 Corsairs
10 Rxbows
5 Dark Riders
5 Dark Riders
10 Executioners
12 Witch Elves
5-8 Cold Ones
Shades/Harpies
2 RBT and some extra stuff or 3 RBT or 2 RBT and Hydra or 2 RBT and Highborn on Manticore
I see this list as qute solid cmparing to Spear-based-sacrificial MSU - it has only about 2 units less, but its harder to beat and better on a charge.
I always sacrafice my Spearmen to force cavalry to overrun into weird directions, woods, off the board etc. It really is not hard to do...
I
always play on 6x4 board (local club field), so its hard to push him over the board. Also we dont use much terrain as it is not realistic - in medieval generals did not battle inside the dense forest nor over the mountain peaks, so we deploy terrain in board corners (18"x18" from the table edge and scatter it and one terrain in each deploy zoce center - also scattered. Someties we throw something in the middle)
Not to mention that their Core infantry is base 10pts, thus more of a sacrafice than ours...
Your quite a bit into sacrificing, huh?
I wish I could see you sacrificing 4-5 spearelves units in turn 2 against brettonian knights.
No offence.
we have anti horde (witches) and anti tin-can (execs) they have 2 anti tin-can (lions and swordsmaster) but not anti horde...
How about HE spearelves? They are cheaper then Witch Elves, have same nuber of attacks on defence and if they loose odels from first ine they still have 2 other ranks to attack from. They are also more reliable, as they are not
frenzy and have 5+AS. But its a Druchii forum and I dont want to explain HE tactics here, unless you want to hear it.