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I thought I'd take this opportunity to share some strategies that worked well for me in my last game using the ToK list against the CoP.

ToK Annointed TKO
Hide an assassin in the unit you expect the Annointed on his Steed of Slaanesh to charge. Equip him with a 2nd hnd wpn, RoK, and Mortal Fury. When the annointed charges, reveal him. His high initiative will allow him to strike first (unless your opponent has both speed of Slaanesh and Soporific musk). 5 attacks, hitting on 3s, wounding on 4s, rerolling hits and wounds in CoB range. Odds of killing blow are very nice.

Bolt Barrage
Lacking armour, the CoP, comprised of devoted, daemonettes, and mauraders, is extremely vulnerable to missile fire. Two units of 20 RxB on hills rapidly reduce their numbers, allowing your WE to make quick work of the survivors.

Favoured of Khaine, well worth the points
Should you face a savy opponent, you'll likely see Slaaneshii magic used to make you, in essence, defeat yourself. (Titilating delusions on your Sanguine Brides, sending them into your Execx, ouch) To prevent this, I suggest taking a priestess with the Favoured of Khaine ability. Place her in a unit of WE and place your other WE/SB units around the first, providing much needed magic resistence.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

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Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:36 am
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Use tactics. Many people do not use a single shred of tactics and formation. Just my thought.


Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:43 am
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I have a few hints:

-watch out for their speed: they can have shades and dark riders, and without looking to them in particular they can easily lead your frenzy units away from where you want them.
Shooting them can help

-remember the MoS: with it, they are completely immune to panic, and also any fear/terror that you can bring means nothing to them. This means that unit sof spearmen are worth more than knights in this case, for example.

-the size: their armies are generally small, as they are restricted to a general of at least 120 points or so and a core unit of 120 points before they can decide to take anything. This means that if you go MSU, you will outnumber them horifically.


Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:21 pm
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use harpies to take down lone mages, as they are real nasty w/ slaanesh magic.

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lol, at least someone started this for me i have been working on something like this along the lines of know thy foe, it is still inomplete as a, it is to long and b, Deathraider has got my hordes of chaos book.
but so far thi is going great keep it up guys here is a sample of what i have been writing.

Druchii Anointed: the Druchii anointed are elves that have been around since the time of the sundering wondering the globe, searching for power, they are elves possessed by demons, with the Mark of Slannesh making them immune to psychology, and clad in chaos armour these elves are perhaps the most powerful in existence, their demonic gifts making them even more formidable such as quickening blood which allows an anointed to always strike first even armed with a great weapon, this means he can deliver a flurry off S7 attacks before any opponent even has a chance to strike. With his ability to cause fear, and a 5+ ward save against non magical attacks a Druchii anointed is perhaps the most powerful character in the game. Once again with the option of taking a Steed of Slannesh, with its phenomenal movement, he can strike at your heart before you even have a chance to react.

Strengths: Higher Toughness than a normal elf, High Strength, Demonic gifts, Causes Fear, Chaos Armour, Potential Magic User, Can be mounted on Steed of Slannesh, Access to both Dark Elf and Chaos Magic items.
Weaknesses: Cannot be Army General, Very Expensive, Can be exposed if mounted on a steed of Slannesh.

What do you think should i contiune writing it?
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This looks good Voodoo. keep it up. Though an advice on how to defeat it wouldn't be too bad ;)


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yes it is still a work in progress, if deathraider would kindly return my chaos book i am certain i could get it finished by 2morrow evening. advice on how to beat them will be coming.
BTW Lethalis can you not call me Guy my name is Voodoomaster, i am very picky about my real name at the moment as GUY FALKES night is coming up soon, [the one who tried to blow up the english parliament] and i get enough jokes over that at college.

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Sorry, bad habit I took from using the chat room 5 hours a day at least ;)

Anyway, edited it. Btw, I also habe the HoC book, you can ask anything via msn.


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http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0

A tactical discussion on the CoP. Mainly their pro's, but cons are mentioned too. Silly heretics, posting their weaknesses in the open...;)


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Hey Voodoomaster I have checked but i don't have your book, I think beastmaster kurlan may have it though

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Beastmaster kurlan: hmm i dunno itl definately go to tournies anyway, as he has the spear and hod anyway, but its in blakc and white so woohoo kb hail of doom.
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just coz i found a legend combo and u didnt


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Ah tactics :)

1 lill thing, Maldor: you said that it is advisable to take a priestess, however it is a must, since a noble nor an assassin can be a general, you must take at least a priestess.
About them, I advise taking a priestess in every WE unit you have, these ladies massacre, they are totally worth their points. 5 S3 Poisoned attacks, with 50 pts allowance for cool goodies, and that is not even taking the extra DD :) . Now if you put such a beauty in a WE unit, and you include a hag with witch brew as well, you put them in a 3x4 formation and you still have 15 poisoned attacks! All at ws5 and 5 of them maybe have a cool goodie like extra S of killing blow... :) (tried this and it works wonders :) )

Next cool unit:
Executioners, just stick in a draich, and give him Rune of Khaine, since he now has 3 killing blow attacks he is quite a killer, capable of killing even lord class combat chars in challenges and not to mention a slayer of heavy cav! put them in a 3x4 formation and you have 6 Killing blow attacks in the front rank :) .

Now ofcourse this can all be combined with the cauldron... giving you some true wicked punch :) matching khornes armies.

Now this is all very expensive I know, but I see Khainite armies as elites, the best of the best, and thus they deserve stuff like this :D

To the "how to kill slaanesh" part.
I vote for shooting devoted, they are true bitches in CC... making you hit on 5's while they hit on 2's... + they won't break so I suggest... shoot m.

I have no experience with anointed so I'll leave that to the experts...

About the unbreakable units... Do not worry about that. Your units are way cooler in CC so even though they won't break... WHO CARES just less to run away :) . The speed of the cultists is annoying but we have some counters for that... Most of the time you will get outmanouvred but the CC phase should make up for that...

Hope it helps

(Wow while viewing this post I noticed how long it has become ! and with all them yellow dots in it 8) cool 8) )

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Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:38 pm
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Yes, I realise Priestess are required. Note that I suggested taking one with the "Favoured of Khaine" ability. Otherwise, some good points.

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yeah good points

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Beastmaster kurlan: hmm i dunno itl definately go to tournies anyway, as he has the spear and hod anyway, but its in blakc and white so woohoo kb hail of doom.
Me: I h8 u lol :P
just coz i found a legend combo and u didnt


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thnx, I did my best on that :D

@Maldor, srry I was mistaken about the favoured of khaine I thought that gave you the free dispel dice... Litlle mistake on my side.

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About the unbreakable units... Do not worry about that.

So that would be: the Spawn. Which can be dealt with as usual.

Aside that thing, the CoP has no Unbreakable units. The mark only gives immune to psy, but that only helps vs fear, terror, panic etc. Not against break tests.

The daemons are Unbreakable in a way, seeing as they don't run, but they can go poof!


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Lethalis: too right you are!

and Manwe, nice tactics, I may even try using the Temple of Khaine list just for these Tactics!
the Cult cannot survive Drake Everslayer's Wrath, or his twin Sabers, lol
but thanks for the tactics, the Cult of Slaanesh stands no chance.
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ghehehe wow, never had a compliment around here before :P

I must say that the executioner combo works wonders! 3 CoK in 1 turn! ghehehehe (2 sixes on the to wound roll helped....)

@Lethalis, ow I forgot ... thought they where unbreakable... (where were my thoughts!)

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OK, just a quick thing. Some of us are playing with a regular Druchii army. So shouldn't we have tactics for that too?


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Well for druchii tactics we have the normal tactics forum... But maybe a how to kill slaanesh with normal druchii... (but that 2 has been discussed...)

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but that 2 has been discussed...

Where, exactly?


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Well, in the tactics forum, there are bound to be discussions about. I am sure I've read some... just gotta dig a bit in the files...

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