Ilokir wrote:I don't know if you noticed yet, but Warhammer and Lotr are not the same. There even isn't a connection. Sure, GW was inspired a lot by the books of Tolkien, but Tolkiens elves are not the elves from GW. The Dark Elves, as referred to in Lotr are outcasts. Elves who never saw the light of the trees. They blame the newcomers for taking their lands..Prince of Arnheim wrote:I also look at Warhammer as being the completed version of Tolkiens fantasy universe.Arda is the entire world in Lotr, perhaps you mean Valinor?Prince of Arnheim wrote:I also think it is interesting that DE in Warhammer are located in the same as Arda in LOTR.It is not entirely clear what you mean by this. ..Prince of Arnheim wrote:
Perhaps he is making some sort of prophecy.....
you're pretty much correct... but there is one connection: is more or less the appearance of elves.. ie, elves in fantasy (taken from lotr) are tall, full boddied, pointy eared, keen eyed, long hair, etc etc. and NOT, as Santa's elves are; short, etc, etc.
Also a few other things, but nothing serious: wfb wood elves and athel loren parallel alot of laurelindorenan. Alot of names too: Malekith=Maeglin is all i think of at the moment though.
Tolkien wrote his books before ww2 yes, but we all have to admit there is some uncanny connection between the two. Maybe he was just changing around ww1.
the wfb map is kind of a mix of an older world. You have atlantis in the middle (ulthuan) and america and europe on either side.
And a history lesson on aragorn.... i wrote this blurb a while ago when i was talking about the grey elves and Thingol, but aragorn comes into this:
When Illuvatar created the world and sent the ainur to build the world and make it fair, he created the firstborn in arda. The ainur wanted the eldar to live with then in valinor, so they asked all the elves to travel the length of middle earth and cross the ocean. *most* of the elves were willing, so off they went. Out of the three groups of elves that journeyed across middle earth, the vanyar, noldor and teleri, ALL of the vanyar and noldor travelled across the ocean to valinor. Not all of the teleri decided to travel however. Some didnt listen at all to the summonings (the dark elves). Some did, but stopped on their way because one of their lords, Elwe Singollo (later known as Thingol) met one of maiar (a weaker version of an ainur... gandalf, sauron were maiars), Melian, who ensarred him in a binding spell released him only after the ships carrying the elves left the earth. Some of the teleri stayed behind to look for him. With these elves, Thingol and Melian founded the kingdom of Doriath. Their people were the GREY ELVES. (thats out of pure memory so it might not be 100% correct). These elves branched out into the lothlorien and mirkwood elves in the 3rd age. Celeborn, king of lothlorien was a kinsman of Thingol. His wife Galadirel is not, she is the last of the Noldor nobility of the house of Finwe left alive in the third age that led the Noldor into exile in the first age. Sister of Finrod Felagund Lord of Nargothrond, daughter of Finarfin, mother of Celebrian (sp?) who marries Elrond, etc, etc. She is not High Queen of the noldor on middle earth because the kingship of the Noldorim does not run through her father's line but through her uncle's (Fingolfin's). Note that the kingship does not run through the line of the oldest son's (Feanor) house but through Fingolfin's house because of the burning of the ships at... losgar(?). Maedhros the eldest son of Feanor repents their actions after Feanor's death and willingly gives the kingship to Fingolfin. Fingolfin's sons were Turgon, King of Gondolin and Fingon, King of Hithlum. Turgon's daugther was Idril who married Tuor (a man) who's son was Earendil. Earendil's sons were Elrond and Elros. So Elrond chooses to become an Elf and Elros chooses to become the first King of Numenor after the downfall of Morgoth. Elrond's daugther is Arwen who marries Aragorn, King of Gondor and Arnor, Wielder of the Blade reforged, Elessar, The ElfStone, Direct descendant of Elros through the 2nd and 3rd ages. Now, back to our original subject, Thingol. Thingol's daughter was Luthien, who married Beren. Their son was Dior Elluchil, who's daughter was Elwing, wife of Earendil. So, to cap off the history lesson, Aragorn has high elven (noldorim), grey elven (sindar), maiar, and human blood in him. Not to mention he is Elrond's great, great, great, great x a large # Nephew, AND son-in-law. Finally, (even though it doesnt matter that much), id like to draw attention to the men that were involved in the marriages of elves and men in the first age; Beren and Tuor. Beren is the son of Barahir and descendent of beor (proof of this is aragon's ring... named Barahir's ring that was a gift from Finrod Felegund, son of Finarfin, son of Finwe for saving his life in battle). Tuor is son of Huor of the house of Hador of Dor'lomin. So, not only does aragorn have human blood, but he has blood of the foremost houses of the edain; the houses of Beor and Hador.