Death of an On-line Army Builder . . .

Post by **Dyvim tvar** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:16 pm

The on-line army builder at www.thegreatuncleanone.com seems to be gone. The site has been down for a few days now. It was outdated for a lot of armies, but was current and easy to use for Dark Elf lists.

Anyone know of other, good on-line army builders I could use instead?

Brylcreem · Post by **Brylcreem** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:32 pm

Noticed that myself today

It was a lot easier than trying to do it by hand! RIP greatuncleanone.
-brylcreem

Fenix · Post by **Fenix** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:09 am

Missing it as well, along with the site some army lists flew away

Dont have an alternative yet, would like one aswell.

Firestart345 · Post by **Firestart345** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:22 am

just use Microsoft Word or a pad of paper.

Tijminator · Post by **Tijminator** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:49 pm

Hmm, a shame, GUO was one of the easyest Army Builders I know... Wargames Japan had a good one too, IIRC.

I'll look up a link and edit it in.

Tijminator

Edit: This is the one I found. I hope it still woks, for I haven't used it in a while.

A little OT, but does anyone know a good 40K army builder? :roll:

Brylcreem · Post by **Brylcreem** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:58 pm

I've used Excel in the past which beats pulling out the calculator or worse yet pulling off your socks to count on your fingers AND toes. It was just a lot easier using the website. Do you think GW shut them down, or they just gave up?
-Brylcreem

Dancingpigeon · Post by **Dancingpigeon** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:29 pm

Nothing good ol' Excel can't do, or failing that, get OpenOffice use its spreadsheet program.

Post by **Dyvim tvar** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:53 pm

Tijminator -- that one seems to work. Not quite as user-friendly as the GUO, but thatnks for the find!

Prince of arnheim · Post by **Prince of arnheim** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:00 pm

Just copy my armylists ha ha ha.

Wolf Lair is the only armybuilder worth using. You can download the demo to atleast figure out the points costs of units quickly. Then you just combine with a calculator for the bigger army tally. I recommend buying it, I did, it iwas cheap and will last forever. IT get's updated too. The best thing i've ever invested in.

Rasputinii · Post by **Rasputinii** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:14 pm

That Japanese site is kool. But its slow to use, lacks the SOC and Albion items as well as alternative lists and even has the points costs of things wrong...

Beastmaster kurlan · Post by **Beastmaster kurlan** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:32 pm

i use touchoftensai, its veyr useful however recently ive got into the habbit of excel

Mostlyharmless · Post by **Mostlyharmless** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:41 pm

Alright, I've been a prominent poster on TGUO for a few years now, and I think I can clear up some stuff. TK, the admin at TGUO, stopped paying for the site and updating it nearly two years ago. Just recently, however, the URL expired. He made an announcement in the message board saying that he was torn between renewing it or letting it expire. He likely decided to let it expire because he hadn't updated it since Ogre Kingdoms.

Post by **Dyvim tvar** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:04 pm

RasputinII wrote:That Japanese site is kool. But its slow to use, lacks the SOC and Albion items as well as alternative lists and even has the points costs of things wrong...

Didn't notice the points are off . . . I guess that one is out.

Flameseeker574 · Post by **Flameseeker574** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:34 pm

no the point costs for DE arnt off, but i think they are for Empire, tho i dont have the book so i cant check.

Post by **Loki** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:00 pm

One of the problems with that one, seems to be that I can give my Treeman Ancient the Sword of Striking. They don't seem to have completely set the rules on magic items. Everything else seems to work ok, though I didn't really check the book to make sure points are ok.

Post by **Daeron** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:18 am

The huge problem about making an army builder is IP policy. GW doesn't just allow anyone to go ahead and make a program that nearly replaces an army handbook. Things such as points and validity checks aren't supposed to be included.
Making an army builder without point cost and validity check is overly simple, and practically useless.

Garluch · Post by **Garluch** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:17 am

And the banner of nagarythe cost only 50p :shock:

Amarel · Post by **Amarel** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:06 am

I'm mourning the loss of the mental arithmatic that used to be so prevalent in all our societies.

Post by **Daeron** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:06 am

To make calculations is one thing, to do the same thing over and over for each change in your army list gets very tiresome. I prefer writing a program that does it for me than doing it myself. hah!

Amarel · Post by **Amarel** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:36 am

Daeron wrote:To make calculations is one thing, to do the same thing over and over for each change in your army list gets very tiresome. I prefer writing a program that does it for me than doing it myself. hah!

I've done it so often I don't even have to really think about it

. That said when I eventually transfer the rough idea to Excel I set it up so as I can tweak and play a little without having to worry about changing all the amounts each time.

Quatters · Post by **Quatters** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:06 am

I've never seen the use for an army builder.
Most of the time you don't even need to use a calculator.
It's not that hard is it?

Post by **Dyvim tvar** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:16 am

It's just a lot faster than writing it out by hand, or even typing the list.

Fenix · Post by **Fenix** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:19 am

Thegreatuncleanone lives again

Kyrios · Post by **Kyrios** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:54 am

Arent there some talented people in this forum who could make a druchii.net verision?
By leaving e.g. the points costs out but making it an easy thing to add would mean that you woud still need the army book but able avoid the mind numbing calculationsl

Post by **Daeron** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:37 am

Actually, the part of checking the validity of a list is against IP policy of GW. I asked them

Making a simple list proggy shouldn't be too hard, but without any checking.. is it still usefull?