New chaos mortal list in June issue White Dwarf?

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New chaos mortal list in June issue White Dwarf?

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As everyone knows the chaos mortals list is coming out after the DE releases. I heard a temporary list will be available in the June WD. The Hell cannon will be a part of the standard list and Nurgle gifts are much cheaper than what it currently is. Can any one confirm?
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Sorry, but due to an extemely hectic college schedule(4 repeat modules this Semester @ UCD) I have been unable to go near a GW store this past couple of months. However, they did say "very soon"? in that article about the new Demons in the latest UK WD so ......?

Ah well, we must live in hope that they get this one right for once. I thought that previous Chaos list was a tad screwy!
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Post by Victor simic »

As discussed in another thread previously, I believe that the original Hordes of Chaos book is getting an Update in WD. Not sure of the month.

I also believe this is to bring the HoC book into line with the subsequent Beasts of Chaos and the new Deamons of Chaos books. These two books obviously created glitches in the original HoC book.

Someone correct me if I`m wrong.
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They did say in the next issue there would be a get you by list but have to wait and see if they follow it up.
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Did you say UCD as in University College Dublin!???
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Unsurprisingly, this doesn't belong in Druchii Discussion.

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There's a poster in Warhammer World with photos of covers of WD for April/May/June
The June one says "Hordes of Chaos Army List"
So there. Next month WD - HoC update.
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Hopefully they took my suggestion and are going to use this as a "open beta test" to find the problems and fix them. I hope.

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Azure wrote:Hopefully they took my suggestion and are going to use this as a "open beta test" to find the problems and fix them. I hope.


If the new HoC does come out in November, that's exceptionally unlikely. I would expect the book to be going or have gone to the printers by July. By the time they've got the feedback in it would be way too late to make changes.
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Oh I agree Rork, it was merely a hope from a sad sad individual.

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Any one else get the impression that GW is doing away with the way Chaos lists used to be able to mix and match across that Army Books? I haven't seen the new Deamons of Chaos rulebook yet, but reading the latest WD is says that they've made the Deamons come without any intergration to the other books, they stand alone now and only stand as Allies if you use them in something like Legendary Battles.

Do you think the new Hordes of Chaos update will exclude the Mortal, Deamon, Beast categories from the list and make them a self standing list again?

Also, does the Beast of Chaos list plan to be get an update aswell? by the sounds of things, Unlving Idol just became redundant as did selection rules regarding the Shaggoth.
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it does appear that they are doing away with a mixed army of chaos sigh. And i didn't understand you coment about the shaggoth.
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Shaggoths can't be taken by a deamon general. With the death of the mixed chaos list this rule is redundant.
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ohhh gotcha thanks for clarification
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They are separating the armies and... to be honest I understand them. Ask yourselves how many pure daemon armies have you seen before the book? or how many beast armies with no mortals or daemons at all in them?
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Although I can see where you're coming from in the way they're makign them more distinct, i think that making them Chaos Divided does get rid of one of the most favourable points about collecting a Chaos Army, and that was the ability to move into a new kind of army without the risk of having to pick up and start from nothing all over again.

It was a real joy to be able to field a unit of Mortals within your beast army (even for Counts As purposes) and then slowly expand that part of the army until it became a self standing army in its own right. It was really "hobby friendly" the sharing across lists, and although I can see why they made them distinct armies in thier own rights, not only for ballance purposes, it does detach a really strong element to collecting Chaos in the first place.
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I don't really think that this a bad change for the reasons that Dalamar mentioned. It's something that I think GW needed to do in order to sell more of the demon models now that the Demonic Legion list is gone.

As much as I don't like Chaos it is pretty upsetting to see that the ability to freely mix and match is gone. This is really goign to mess with one of the armies in my store. It features a Demon Prince general leading Khorne Knights who are supported by a unit of 4 Khorne Minotaurs often being screened by a small herd of like 12. There's also a Nurgle infantry list that features 2 decent sized units of Plaguebearers and a unit of Nurglings.

As happy as I am to see that damable Khorne army go away it is still upsetting because it is a very beautiful looking army.
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i've got news in reagrd to the new book.

Basically - its boring.....

Rare Choices: Hellcannon - 270pts, 2 Rare Slots
Chaos Giant - 205pts
Spawn - 60pts

Special - Knights - 28pts, Chosen upgrade for 10pts otherwise the same (i think)
-Chariots 100pts
-Some other special choice.....

Core - Warriors 12pts each, chosen 5 pts, keep pretty much all upgrades
-Marauders 5pts(?), same as used to be
-M Horsemen didnt really lok at these guys....

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Marks: Slaanesh and Nurgle as was (ItP and Fear), Khorne = frenzied but no DD, Tzeetch - 6+ ward for character/unit.

And no more mixing - but we knew that already

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Slortor wrote:i've got news in reagrd to the new book.

Basically - its boring.....


Yes, this WD update seems to be a ravening hordes style 'get you by' affair rather than a Blood Angels 'full codex' reworking.

I'd expect better things when the full book arrives with models to support it.
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Any one else get the impression that GW is doing away with the way Chaos lists used to be able to mix and match across that Army Books?


Well spliting them up does remove the combination you could make but it allows each component more freedom to expand and evolve without either overshadowing or falling out with regard to the rest. Also I imagine much like they did with Apocalypse they are encouraging people to have large friendly battle with groups of friends where you ally different factions. Afterall Warhammer originated as a way to get all the different models you own on the field.
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any idea of the special charachters, as my army was based on knights and chairots, I am in real trouble,
also in addition to the ward save, does tzeentch still count as wizards, I am assuming yes but have not had it confermed as of yet
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Given the new list, my chaos army is officially dead, so I'm kind of pissed at how things are going.
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Two bits of info:

2. Marauder Horsemen are special choice

3. Daemon Princes are 50 points more and Stubborn.

EDIT - Gaze of the Gods no longer in the list.
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Pretty much the entire list has been posted on warseer, so I've been told.
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Post by Ukko »

Hey - yeah, list's on warseer alright. It's pants. Not to be overly whiney, I mean the new book will be fantastic I expect but the stop gap is a lot worse than the current list. Even reduction in cost (which isn't that big) comes at the expense of the mark of chaos undivided - a huge loss when you look at the very average leadership of most chaos troops. I think the consensus is a "well why don't you all try out some daemon list?..." motive but who knows.

PS - to Noble Korhedron, wouldn't be a problem if you'd gone to UCC where the real students go... 8)
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