1500 pts Empire lists - comments needed

[Noble korhedron]

Hey guys. These are supposed to be relatively balanced lists, but due to my collection and the higher points costs of infantry in the new book, there may be a slight imbalance towards missile troops and/or warmachines, or possibly cavalry depending on the other units in the list and how the points work out.

As for the battle plan, where I suffer from a lack of infantry, I am hoping I can cause enough damage to give the infantry a fighting chance when it does come to combat, as I think units of 15-25 are not up to scratch in 8 Ed. Also, I dislike full command, at least in smaller, i.e. < 2000 pts games. In larger games I think full command is probably worth the points as it will provide a safety net for any vulnerable characters I place in units, whereby the champion can take on any challenge and keep the other character from being wiped out, at least hopefully long enough to win the combat, or for a Wizard, with say, Steed of Shadows to escape from danger.

In terms of characters, I generally go with a fighty general, a wizard or two, and a BSB - at least where I have the points. These lists are always open to interpretation, but I need some comments to have a a better idea of what you all think, i.e. should I make no change?, should I change only the infantry in list A, etc. Hopefully with this more detailed explanation someone will step forward.....


1500 pts Empire A - Falk's Following

Army: Falk's Following
Race: The Empire(Men)
Player: Robert Tedders
Points: 1500 pts
Magic Lores: Fire

Lords:
Wizard Lord Piotr Falk with Lv. 4, the Talisman of Preservation, Dispel scroll and the Lore of Fire. 225 pts

Lords total: 225 pts/15.00 %

Heroes:
Fr. Jorgen Von Kopf with gt' weapon, h' armour, shield, Dragonhelm and Van Horstmann's Speculum. 124 pts
Captain Jorg Hols with gt' weapon, Armour of Destiny, shield and the Battle Standard. 137 pts
Wizard Bart Schmidt with Lv. 2, Seed of Rebirth and the Lore of Fire. 110 pts

Heroes total: 371 pts/24.73 %

Core:
10 Crossbowmen. 90 pts

30 Halberdiers with standard and musician. 200 pts
Detachment: 15 Swordsmen. 105 pts

Core total: 395 pts/26.33 %

Special:
Gt. Cannon. 120 pts

6 Pistoliers with musician. 118 pts

19 Greatswords with standard and musician. 229 pts
Detachment: 6 Archers. 42 pts

Special total: 509 pts/33.93 %

1500 pts B - The Crusade of Fr. Lorenz

Army: The Crusade of Fr. Lorenz
Race: The Empire(Men)
Player: Robert Tedders
Points: 1500 pts
Magic Lores:

Lords:
Fr. Gus Lorenz with gt' weapon, h'armour, shield, Talisman of Preservation and Van Horstmann's Speculum. 198 pts

Lords total: 198 pts/13.20 %

Heroes:
Captain Franz Flughafen with gt' weapon, the Armour of Metoric Iron and the Battle Standard. 139 pts
Wizard Karol Wotyja with Lv. 2, Dispel scroll, Talisman of Protection and the Lore of Beasts. 140 pts
Engineer Heinz Hartwig with handgun and the Gambler's Armour. 95 pts

Heroes total: 374 pts/24.93 %

Core:
30 Halberdiers with standard and musician. 240 pts
Detachment: 15 Free Company. 90 pts

10 Knights of the White Wolf with standard and musician. 240 pts

Core total: 570 pts/38.00 %

Special:
6 Pistoliers with musician. 118 pts

Gt. Cannon. 120 pts

Special total: 238 pts/15.86 %

Rare:
Helblaster Volley Gun. 120 pts

Rare total: 120 pts/8.00 %

[Calisson]

I'll try not to advocate the usual toys such as semichicks and Stanks, as you seem not to have them (or not to have the will to take them).

With Empire, infantry should go large or stay home.
Furthermore, they should be actively buffed. I don't see enough buffs wiht Fire lore or Beast Lore.

Overall, I like much better list B.
However, I'd like better a Lvl4 than a fighty character, unless it is TGM with runefang.

[Noble korhedron]

I'll try not to advocate the usual toys such as semichicks and Stanks, as you seem not to have them (or not to have the will to take them).

With Empire, infantry should go large or stay home.
Furthermore, they should be actively buffed. I don't see enough buffs wiht Fire lore or Beast Lore.

Overall, I like much better list B.
However, I'd like better a Lvl4 than a fighty character, unless it is TGM with runefang.

I could take a stank, I have ONE. How would you change the list(s) to acommodate it? Who would be dropped or replaced? Also, I don't have semichicks, but would consider getting some. The main problem at the moment being that I have nasty rumours about the kit not fitting together properly, and my GS skills are few to non-existent...

[L1qw1d]

..ok you have me. Whats a semichick?

[Noble korhedron]

..ok you have me. Whats a semichick?

A jokey name for Demigryphs.

[Calisson]

..ok you have me. Whats a semichick?

A jokey name for Demigryphs.

aka chokobos.

[L1qw1d]

Chocobo I've heard of because of how many Magic playing kids there are in Santa Cruz lol for some reason I was just imagining a really lazy playing licking the bottom of Peeps, and adhering them to the Cav base

I like the Fire mage in this. Very versatile. Empire can take Life too, so recall that. Regen and Throne can be scary (Better at 2K where you can up it to an L4 though)

[Alair55]

Nice...
Thanx for sharing this list.