some negative feedback on Beta version Druchii Warband...
Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:38 pm
Hiya guys, just a brief post really - I guess I could maybe go into a lot of depth but I don't think thats really needed in this initial post.
Basically I've been having a couple of games using the druchii.net version of the dark elf warband to test it out and compare it to the 'official' gamesworkshop list - one of which I will be using in an upcoming campaign (which will now start next week).
Essentially gamers have found that the warband I'd decided to take - based on the druchii.net version was 'broken' for a few reasons:
1) the potential for uber cheese gaming was open due to the extremely cheap cost of the Repeater Crossbows being 20gc - even though it only applies to the starting warband and not once in a campaign...
2) people were startled and confused by the concept that sea dragon cloaks were a) 'very VERY cheap' for what they do. and b) they stack with other forms of armour. Of course, I've tried to point out that this is a standard function of the sea dragon cloak and that the cost again is only used for starting warbands, but nobody seemed to see my point
3) the last point made was a rather pointless one (IMHO anyway!) about the starting statline for elven henchmen and heroes across the elven warbands. What he was trying to say was that even for 35gc the statline of an elf was far far FAR superior to that of a human for a pretty small price difference. He basically pointed out that the difference of 10gc between the two races didnt accomodate the +1 LD, +2 I, +1 WS/BS and +1 M. Even though, in both the druchii.net and the GW version of the dark elf warband the elven statline has remained similar (although notably lowered in the druchii.net version). This guy is now attempting to rewrite the dark elf list based on his own ideas/version whereby the basic statline of a dark elf will be:
M: 5
WS: 3
BS: 3
S: 3
T: 3
W: 1
I: 4
A: 1
Ld: 8
for 30gc.
Basically a skaven who has a very decent leadership...
Now I personally have tried to defend against all of these points - people are criticising our list because they are scared by the potential of our warband being able to field a VAST amout of firepower potential - coupled with extremely good/cheap melee warriors.
The point that got the most flak was the cheapness of our repeater crossbows in starting warbands - 20gc sadly seemed ludicrous to many people and there were a lot of complaints/arguments against their use/potential for abuse in our warbands (noted/argued mostly by Skaven players - whom I attempted to retaliate against by noting the cost of a sling offers NEARLY the same ability for being 18gc cheaper).
I feel that I'm a one man force against a tide of opposition who are really seeing rules abuse instead of sense and I could perhaps do with a little more constructive reasoning to make them realise that the druchii.net list IS'NT unbalanced and that in fact the GW is!
Anyway, I hope someone reads this soon/in time as the campaign begins very soon and time is against me to argue the idea of me using the druchii.net version rather than the frankly appalling GW version
Many thanks in advance
- a rather melancholic Beanz
Basically I've been having a couple of games using the druchii.net version of the dark elf warband to test it out and compare it to the 'official' gamesworkshop list - one of which I will be using in an upcoming campaign (which will now start next week).
Essentially gamers have found that the warband I'd decided to take - based on the druchii.net version was 'broken' for a few reasons:
1) the potential for uber cheese gaming was open due to the extremely cheap cost of the Repeater Crossbows being 20gc - even though it only applies to the starting warband and not once in a campaign...
2) people were startled and confused by the concept that sea dragon cloaks were a) 'very VERY cheap' for what they do. and b) they stack with other forms of armour. Of course, I've tried to point out that this is a standard function of the sea dragon cloak and that the cost again is only used for starting warbands, but nobody seemed to see my point
3) the last point made was a rather pointless one (IMHO anyway!) about the starting statline for elven henchmen and heroes across the elven warbands. What he was trying to say was that even for 35gc the statline of an elf was far far FAR superior to that of a human for a pretty small price difference. He basically pointed out that the difference of 10gc between the two races didnt accomodate the +1 LD, +2 I, +1 WS/BS and +1 M. Even though, in both the druchii.net and the GW version of the dark elf warband the elven statline has remained similar (although notably lowered in the druchii.net version). This guy is now attempting to rewrite the dark elf list based on his own ideas/version whereby the basic statline of a dark elf will be:
M: 5
WS: 3
BS: 3
S: 3
T: 3
W: 1
I: 4
A: 1
Ld: 8
for 30gc.
Basically a skaven who has a very decent leadership...
Now I personally have tried to defend against all of these points - people are criticising our list because they are scared by the potential of our warband being able to field a VAST amout of firepower potential - coupled with extremely good/cheap melee warriors.
The point that got the most flak was the cheapness of our repeater crossbows in starting warbands - 20gc sadly seemed ludicrous to many people and there were a lot of complaints/arguments against their use/potential for abuse in our warbands (noted/argued mostly by Skaven players - whom I attempted to retaliate against by noting the cost of a sling offers NEARLY the same ability for being 18gc cheaper).
I feel that I'm a one man force against a tide of opposition who are really seeing rules abuse instead of sense and I could perhaps do with a little more constructive reasoning to make them realise that the druchii.net list IS'NT unbalanced and that in fact the GW is!
Anyway, I hope someone reads this soon/in time as the campaign begins very soon and time is against me to argue the idea of me using the druchii.net version rather than the frankly appalling GW version
Many thanks in advance
- a rather melancholic Beanz