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hey there, just looking over the forum, by what I've read the pendant of khaeleth seems a pretty hot item! A roll under the attackers strength and it is saved. It also works against ranged attacks as well doesn't it? Even just in close combat it makes is very difficult for anyone to hurt you because the high S attacks that can tear through armour saves will all be saved by the pendant. Am I right in believing it is in the 25-35 point range? it leaves plenty of points over for offensive items on a dreadlord.
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That's right, yes. When you just look at it alone it seems like the best personal protection item ever. And indeed it's actually fairly cheap allowing you to take a nice magic weapon and/or armor as well. A must have for a fragile elven character. But you pretty much covered it all by yourself, so don't expect a lot of replies now. ;)

Anyway, I expect to hear a lot of "WTF"-s when I start playing with it. Shock and awe! :o

Btw, does anybody know however, what Khaeleth is? A craftsman? A creature? Sounds to me like some Kraken-like squidy thingy from the deep black sea. Maybe because it sounds like the Aboleth creature from D&D...
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It is of the best magic items for a fighting character ever, for sure. I still can't believe how cheaply it is priced for what it does.

We now have the ability to make one of the best tank characters in the game. Combine it with the regeneration armor, Crimson Death, a Cold One, and an SDC for a nearly indestructible Highborn that still dishes out a good amount of damage. (I will resist the new character titles as long as possible...).

With this set up, high strength attacks will likely be stopped by the Ward save, and low strength attacks will likely be stopped by the armor save. And then, if those fail, you still have the chance to Regenerate.

Or you could place him on a Manticore instead, which reduces the armor save a bit, but obviously adds alot more mobility, hitting power, and reliability (no Stupidity).

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Moonblade wrote:That's right, yes. When you just look at it alone it seems like the best personal protection item ever. And indeed it's actually fairly cheap allowing you to take a nice magic weapon and/or armor as well. A must have for a fragile elven character. But you pretty much covered it all by yourself, so don't expect a lot of replies now. ;)

Anyway, I expect to hear a lot of "WTF"-s when I start playing with it. Shock and awe! :o

Btw, does anybody know however, what Khaeleth is? A craftsman? A creature? Sounds to me like some Kraken-like squidy thingy from the deep black sea. Maybe because it sounds like the Aboleth creature from D&D...


I would have thought Khaeleth would be a Dark Elf who is very insecure about his safety, and thus fashioned this necklace to protect him from harm. Maybe a really fragile mage, or an incredibly skilled fighter who had the disadvantage of being blown over by a gust of wind.
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Just a thought... Khaeleth seems like a Chaos Demon to me... Or a potent Chaos sorcerer... but that might just be because of the Title... (Octagon of Praan, Idol of Kholkuth, Dagger of Torxus, Amulet of Vaurog, Pendant of Khaeleth?)
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Undeniably a great item. It's up there with the Dwarf Master Rune of Steel (all attacks greater than S5 only count as S5.) Ironically enough, both are vulnerable to the same thing: low strength attacks that ignore armor. Given how rare those are though, the pendant remains strong.
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Its easily the most sick magic item I have ever seen, considering that it can be combined given its low cost to give a 1+ armour save, the sick ward save, and regeneration. :shock: :twisted:
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Post by Dosmil »

My personal favorite highborn setup (including the pendant):

-Great Weapon & SDC
-Armour of Eternal Servitude
-Pendant of Khaeleth
-Black Dragon Egg

= 4+ AS, Reverse Ward Save, 4+ Regeneration Save, and pop the egg puts him at T6 for one turn = nigh indestructible!

Not to mention that I also put him in a Black Guard with the ASF banner which allows my great weapon wielding dreadlord to strike first, pretty sick indeed!
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dosmil, I hate to break it for ya, mate but you equipment setup is slightly illegal.

AoES (35pts) + Pendant (35pts) + Egg (40pts) = 110pts total

If you still want to have the best possible protection I would say that a Dreadlord on Cold One + Pendant + AoES + SDC is the maximum you can get. And you even have 30 pts left for 2 Null Talismans! Mounting the Dreadlord on a Chariot will boost the Armor Save to a ridiculous value but Chariots do not take part in Challenges and are destroyed when hit by a STR7 attack.

Anyway I'm not proposing the aforementioned example as a good tactical choice though. You will probably never need that much protection and other stuff, like flying mount or better weapon, seems to be more worthy.
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Moonblade wrote:Chariots do not take part in Challenges


The creatures pulling the chariot do. Though note that they can only actually attack if the opponent is in front of the chariot (as opposed to the side or the rear).
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Er...would the Ward save not cover the chariot, too, since it is a character mount?
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Matras wrote:Er...would the Ward save not cover the chariot, too, since it is a character mount?

No, it wouldn't. Mounts do not recieve the benefit from a characters save, unless the save in question says so.
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Moonblade wrote:dosmil, I hate to break it for ya, mate but you equipment setup is slightly illegal.

AoES (35pts) + Pendant (35pts) + Egg (40pts) = 110pts total

If you still want to have the best possible protection I would say that a Dreadlord on Cold One + Pendant + AoES + SDC is the maximum you can get. And you even have 30 pts left for 2 Null Talismans! Mounting the Dreadlord on a Chariot will boost the Armor Save to a ridiculous value but Chariots do not take part in Challenges and are destroyed when hit by a STR7 attack.

Anyway I'm not proposing the aforementioned example as a good tactical choice though. You will probably never need that much protection and other stuff, like flying mount or better weapon, seems to be more worthy.


The Egg is 30pts, so the combination is legal - though not one I would personally use myself.

Also remember the pendant is not just rolling under, but EQUAL TO OR UNDER.
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Hmh.. is my memory playing tricks with me or in the rumor section the price stated was 40? (before the author had the exact values removed). I just need to save my sanity with someone telling me that I have wrote it/remembered it correctly :)
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Even a S3 attack that ignores armor saves doesn't hinder the pendant too much. Its basically a 4+ ward save against S3. That's not to shabby at all.
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Tell you what? - I do not even have the Pendant in my 2K test list ... not because I am such an 1337!!1! player that I don't need it, but there is so much other stuff screameing "take me!" even louder that I have to leave it at home!

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Also remember the pendant is not just rolling under, but EQUAL TO OR UNDER.
- Meh, that's the reason I think this item is somehow... well... broken. If it was only "roll under" it would have been a decent item. But when you add "or equal" it goes off the board of balance :D Effectively a 4+/3+/2+ Ward Save, that actually doesn't even count as one (and so you could potentially have additional ward save, or at least you remain unaffected by stuff that denies the right of ward save) for the price of 35pts when a regular 4+WS costs about 45pts and on the top of that, the best possible scenario for you is the one you normally fear the most - high Strength. ... ... ... imba.
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Seriously it's equal to or under? Then that kind of is broken.. Craziest item out there. Luckily I play with people who don't complain so much about GWs setup and trust in them, but still... Well some do, my friend freaked when he heard that all units will get Hatred and most elites will get S4, he almost sat down in a corner and wept. Well at a small rate he did. He'll get over it when his slaan aint miscasting and my sorcs are.
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Suddenly, Creeping Death is a pretty dangerous spell for certain Highborns. All those S1 hits will slide right by the armor save AND the ward save.
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Deep One wrote:Tell you what? - I do not even have the Pendant in my 2K test list ... not because I am such an 1337!!1! player that I don't need it, but there is so much other stuff screameing "take me!" even louder that I have to leave it at home!

!eek!


It is arguably the best magic item for its cost in the entire game. It is so good and cheap that I think its broken, and I think almost every Dark Elf army will have this item in it.

I'd love to know what you think is a better overall item than this.
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The Griefbringer wrote:Suddenly, Creeping Death is a pretty dangerous spell for certain Highborns. All those S1 hits will slide right by the armor save AND the ward save.


And wound on 6's...
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GrogsnotPowwabomba wrote:
The Griefbringer wrote:Suddenly, Creeping Death is a pretty dangerous spell for certain Highborns. All those S1 hits will slide right by the armor save AND the ward save.


And wound on 6's...


It only takes two or three, and you get 3D6 hits. If *I* was facing some joker with the pendant, those sound like decent gambling odds to me. Certainly better than whacking him over and over with S4 and hoping the dice gods bless you so hard that magic 6s tumble out your butt.

Seriously, magic is pretty much the only reliable way to kill off a 2+ AS, Inverse Ward Lord Character.

Drain Life, Creeping Death, weapons that cause wounds vis statistics tests, etc.. If it has a S value higher than 2 and/or it doesn't ignore armor saves, it's just a waste of time.
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You also forget that when hes mounted on a dragon (and I see that being quite common) you'll need 5's and then 6's.

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