can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?

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can I take the sea dragon cloak with cloak of twilight?

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People keep calling me on it .I do take them both.so why is it legal? Or am I wrong. .
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It's perfectly fine and keeps you extra warm in the cold winters of Naggaroth.
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Is it possible to wear two or more jumpers at the same time?

Yes it is.


Conclusive proof.

Or see BRB p173 'What's in a Name?'

For additional clarity: Sea Dragon Cloak is mundane armour, Cloak of Twihard is an Enchanted Item. If the Cloak was magic armour there would be a conflict ...but it is not ;)
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Sweet!
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It does create modelling/conversion challenges for the OCD/literal minded like myself!
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flatworldsedge wrote:It does create modelling/conversion challenges for the OCD/literal minded like myself!


Well it is described in the book as being all but invisible, so you have a little leeway in modelling :)
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Since it's supposedly made of hair, you could always model it after every Japanese horror movie/game ghost ever. =D
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You could model the cloak like a bull fighter's cape...
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You can say they are one in the same visualy and fluff wise.
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Actually, in reply to T.D.'s otherwise excellent post, nowhere is is stated that a sea dragon cloak is a mundane armor... If it was, then heavy armor and sea dragon cloak would not stack - but they do stack, evidence: in all our character's entries, they have an option to take both, not either/or.

The item description simply states: "This confers the scaly skin (5+) special rule".

So, in combining SDC and Cloak of Twilight: what T.D. said, except SDC isnt even mundane armor. Its just a 'nondescript' item (well its obviously a cloak ;) )
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A very astute observation Thaundril :)

Give the cloak of twilight and a sacrificial dagger to a supreme sorceress - voila: a bonafide cloak and dagger character ;)
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It provides an armour saving throw. Hence armour.

It is neither a magical save nor a magic item. Hence mundane.

But splitting hairs aside it's not an Enchanted Item, which is the main thing :P

Give the cloak of twilight and a sacrificial dagger to a supreme sorceress - voila: a bonafide cloak and dagger character ;)


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In my opinion, still no T.D. :p

Providing an armour saving throw does not necessarily make an item a piece of armour. For instance: put a sorcerer on a dark steed or a cold one will give her a 6+ or 5+ armour saving throw. Is the horse a piece of armour? I'd say no ;)

But also... SDC does not provide an armour saving throw. The sea dragon cloak confers a special rule - the scaly skin special rule, to be precise. The special rule confers the armour saving throw, not the item itself... Unlike the chaos armour, which confers a 4+ armour save directly. While scaly skin gives an armor save, it is not in itself armour. A lizardman kroxigor has a scaly skin armour save, but is not wearing armour.

So I'd still argue that the sea dragon cloak is just a mundane item with no specific 'type'.
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BRB P. 179.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
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T.D. wrote:But splitting hairs aside it's not an Enchanted Item, which is the main thing :P


Exactly. If there is no game effect based on the issue, why is it being argued?
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Dalamar wrote:It's perfectly fine and keeps you extra warm in the cold winters of Naggaroth.


LOL! !lol!
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Wow has this thread derailed or what?

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indeed.
Derailed posts moved to BRB = ???.
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