WOC unkillable disc n dps
Lizardmen temple guard with kroak, vanguarded cowboys unit, salamanders
Vamps dual terrorgheist
Skaven double plague furnace

I am really seeing them in extreme msu lists as tarpits. I think in this edition stubborn is their greatest ability. Most other roles can be done better by others. Nothing else gets stubborn without a character.

Banners etc are tweeks I would look at. In my meta the day of getting scouts in the enemies deployment are long gone. For me that makes them less useful. I decided on 3 large units for a few reasons. Tried many small witches last edition with helbron. I get how they work and having stubborn was huge...

Wanting to do a competitive khainite focused list. Starting here but know it will need tweeking. Talluris in executioners Bsb hag on cauldron magic weapon thinking antihereos or fencer blades witchbrew in witches Level 2 (dark) scroll in execs (max hero allotment) 40 witches full command 2 x 5 dark ...

so something like
Helbron
cob
hag bsb banner hag graef

35 executioners full command +1 movement banner
30 execs full command flaming banner

10 x 5 witches
2 hydra

don't have that many execs
What about 30-35 execs 2 mid size witches then several 5 and harpies

yes this is themed and has no magic! but I think it might have potential. All comments appreciated. Helbron hag w cauldron hag bsb with banner of hag graef 38 executioners w cmd Helbron and bsb 40 witches full cmd 2 x 10 rxb w shields w cmd 2x hydra 2 x rbt 2 very hard hitting units, poison or killi...

Hi,
I was wondering what people have thought about the mini codex and what it means for the SOB.
I am struggling to find anything positive in the changes. So am I just not getting it or did my poor girls get eviscerated?

They are good for many reasons: high number of shots, good range/mobility, armour piercing, only cc unit that can get ward save. Since they do have a good reputation opponents tend to overcompensate, winning psychological game, rolling more dice always good, again psychological as well as real impac...

lol I don't expect it to survive in our new book.
Likely 2 banners costing over 50, 2 under 50 and 4 so so items.

can you tell me where that is located?

If a caster has the ability to know all spells from a lore does that stop your other casters from knowing spells from that lore or does it count as a fixed attribute and they then could know spells form that lore as well ie getting casters to have multiple of non-basic spells ex vampire with lore ma...

flaming in building re-roll to wound which if combined with killing blow makes for some nasty combos ie auto wound on 6's to hit and then re-roll any that don't wound increasing chance for killing blow. Witches give you so many attacks it rocks. If you manage to get any shadow buffs/debuffs off well...

Hate to do this to you but witches with the flaming banner are better than all of them.

If I am not mistaken nearby units must use the generals leadership.

All input appreciated. This is for a league and I want it to be a good all rounder list Cannoness with cloak, mc eviserator, mantle, book and jump back 10 x sisters with superior, book, flamer and h. flamer in rhino with extra armour and smoke 10 x sisters with superior, book, flamer and h. flamer i...

Bladewind/ chillwind won't kill units but can still be very effective against war machines, something we are vulnerable to. I would also like to know how chillwind's causality clause will come into play now against war machines as you do remove a figure if it takes a wound. Any thoughts on that? Doo...

That is why I like the synergy of dark with shadow, I can use dark and make aunits bs/ws 1, do wounds to any member of the unit only str 2 but if i can lower their tou. I am just so excited to try it out again and again.

If I am starting to get a better handle on it is it really just try and force some ok easy to cast spells out with the 4th then just let loose with the level 2 and if you get off a big one IF just go for it?

I guess the problem I was finding is that the 4th can easily do everything they get with one die then if necessary dagger. You want them to go first to avoid the miscast. So know I go to my level 2 bonus spell with shadow. If they get the hexes well everything that could benefit from dark has been c...

Hi all, I have been thinking again (when will I learn) hurts my head. Magic is the area I really feel I have been struggling with for this edition. All those lovely new lores and spells. The problem I find is that it is very easy for several armies to shut down the magic phase and miscasts are reall...

Hi, I think if the priority is to build tournie viable lists you need to look at what are the "Top Tier" or "Most challenging" armies for us to face. This is a little long winded but I think for a tournie type army a level 2 death mage with familiar may be better than shadow with...

I always forget about the scenarios. I like the smaller shooting as I have found you are more likely to get valid targets than with one big one. just my eperience.

SS, 4th level, focus familiar, pok, crown of command, dark horse, death s, level 2 tome and seal of ghrond, dark cob bsb core: rxb with shields and musician x 10 rxb with shields and musician x 10 rxb with shields and musician x 10 rxb with shields and musician x 10 corsairs 24 with full command and...

Is your list posted I would be curious to see it.