warlocks kill WE as moblie magical missiles is the best weapon against them. for this reason I suggest taking fire for your SS. Light is very good as well, as Net is the easy way to keep his mages silent. I would rather drop shades, as anything he blocks your vanguards with gives you points and is g...

I would suggest to change the second dread lord for lvl4 on the dragon.
brace of handbows is wasted on the dragon as you almost always march and generally do not receive charges.
no magic weapon is not advised, while RBTs are better than additional masters.

But then you can't charge with the witches if your stuff is in front. exactly. warhammer is being played by 2 people and other armies have answers to DE strengths. if the opponent allows you a clear charge with witches, you win. the question is if he does not. like 2 eagle 4 rbt HE or WE BS gunline...

for me fighting is winning to fight another day. otherwise it is pointsink. so I believe we have differencies in definitions, not in the matter of the discussion

5 warlocks kill hellcannon in 3-4 rounds. 10 warlocks might kill it in 1 round. just soften it with doomblot and keep soulblight.
5 dark riders in the flank hold it long enough to win the game.

ogre blade, talisman of preservation and the other trikster shard.
some harpies and fast cav to kill the cannons and champions for unnessassary challenges.
off we go

for 2 units of 5 shades I would take vanilla, w/o upgrades.
such units cannot fight anyways, even if they kill something, they tend to die with return attacks.

To be frank, if you're overly worried about your Witch/Cauldron block running into a unit of 1+ armor saves, you're losing the maneuver battle... which DE should never do. Losing the maneuver battle means you've probably lost the game. Your chaff units should be funneling his 1+ save units into you...

I like the idea of having my sorceress close to my CC units as a form of protection vs spells. I agree putting her in with warlocks is probably overkill although she'd be quite protected if she was whhcih for 300 pts and all the spells she's got would be v useful. When they enter combat though you ...

What is OTC? the other trikster's shard. as I want my dreadlord to have 1+ rerollable and giant's blade while being on foot, he is not able to carry the OTC. thus sorc does it for him. anyways, dispel scroll is a must, RoH is not bad for protection. sometimes the ring is really handy as two ones ha...

To get Ring of Hotek means I need to free up a bit more somewhere else (sell an executioner or something). She'd need to be closer to the enemy wizards for it to be worthwhile, and I'm thinking with Llife magic she'll mainly be boosting all my merry folk on the battlefield. How do you play a Suprem...

nothing.
5++ ward save does not save much and you can heal her back with life anyways.
ring of hotek might worth its points, depending on the play style

it is good to have a lvl 1(2) to support your main mage. this is much more important for dispelling than for the casting, but even with casting if you have just one mage you are very dependant on the losing concetration. exes are fine with just witchbrew imo. rerolling to wound is not that important...

If he has both frostie and sisters he does not have RBTs and Eagles. This is a huge advantage for us
Same goes for 2 frosties. de can survive rush then it is easy
In terms of 2400 game I think that frostie 4 rbts and an eagle is the most competitive rare split.

muso helps with swift reforms which is essentual in my opinion.
also, I hate losing frenzy for loosing by one as it happens.
heralds are nice to have, if you do not have points, that I think you can skip them

Praetorian1979 wrote:the funniest dreadlord build I've come up with so far is a "standard" 1+/4+ with a twist.

I would go with peg and lance, than you can have OTC, which is really good for black amulet wounds trade.

I like your list, as it it is fast and can choose fights
I play 1+ OTC/Ogre Blade/ToP lord, as it is more versatile, but yours is allright as well.
the only suggestion that I have is to change hags into musicians for WE and add a couple of heralds to DR in order to help dragon with champions.

witchbrew and more warlocks)

list is fine however not valid under current etc draft.
you have 2 dark steed characters, extra unit of riders, rbt and 10 warlocks, that goes for 6 choices, unfortunately only 5 are allowed. I suggest fusing 3 units of dark riders into 2 in order to make the list valid.

it depends on the list. as now a lot of folks are playing scenarios, I start with 6 FCG full grade (150 points). then I downgrade them to unit of 5 with shields and crossbows. Such unit costs convinient 100 points. both units are good in small skirmishers or if you need to bring flank/hill/banner to...

Searinox Nagharha wrote:BTW: you dont have to deploy the Shades as Scouts. you can also deploy them like normal

page 79 of BRB does not agree with you.

scouts are set up after all other non scout units from both armies have been deployed

Excellent point with the 6 DR unit w/ Herald being Steadfast after the Herald dies in a challenge against some lone character! That could be HUGE. Also, with 6 you're still getting a Look Out Sir if you are forced to hide the SS in that unit. I play with 2 units of 6 if I have points. won me a coup...

it looks pretty solid for msu list. it should be fine provided that you have to keep knights.
I personally would drop flaming banner/5 points sword for shields/rxbs.

up to you, it is your list after all. 6 are steadfast after a character kills a champion. 5 are just avoidance and sacrificial unit should not have updrages. but this is really a matter of taste. 4 rbt can kill something and imo you do no need to block vanguards, as you want to fight and not to avoi...

in short it is viable, you need shadow magic, there are better builds for singles. I played 14 shades with witchbrew, it was good. characters start in WE, make sure that they do not fail witchbrew frenzy check. list is very good against vampires and daemons. flyers, especially DE pegs and chaos can ...