I asume your gonna use bsb with exec. The will need some protection from missile/warhashines/magic. COB is the best choise and then one master has to go I guess. And ofc +1A in cc on the Exec can really do wonders. And the Manti is really awful now ( the model is still ever so cool ofc ) with terror...

Hm, about the VC game. Did you try to get the hydra flaming on the GG death star ? Thats hes worst nightmare, S5 flaming hits on 80-90% of the unit. Your first list is very close to my own favourite list for tournament play. BG, same, lv4 same but with ward save, spears and xbows same, some harpies ...

If you put a DL with ex axe in the BG unit it will be crucial, but ofc that is horrible use of a DL.

DR ar still very good and useful, but not so good as they used to be. - Cannot brake ranks wit the new rules so a side charge is far less devastating. - Flee and move is less useful now since the redirect rule. 2 units of 5 DR will no longer be guaranteed to pass that enemy charriot on the flank. - ...

Used to field COK in units of 5 or 10, but then I met a unit of 40 bloodletters. Its a new game out there now. Imo in a competitive invironment the point sink COK unit will be a on an off unit. Really good sometime, but suck in other games. Why ? They get tarpittet bye 60-80 slaves or skellies/ghoul...

It has always seemd to me that the pendant DL on peg is way to expencive to use as as roadblock. With clever play, 3 units of harpies will do the same for half the points really. The Chuck Norris build on the other hand is one of the strong DE weapons imo. Far less points and extremely versatile. Ta...

List 3 imo. But strip of some corsairs and the we for a charriot. In a 1000p tournament a charriot can be very effective. And for the master the good old Chuck Norris build will be a winner here for sure.

Seems to be a vary nasty list, but I think the weeknesses that others here comment on is gonna hurt you bad when the luck shifts. Imo the biggest flaw of the list is that it is slow and static. And remember that in a 3k tourney with SC your gonna face Khairos and Teclis for sure. And your gonna face...

Looks like a very competitive list indeed. I like that you go all the way with a cc list, no shooting at all. Ofc DE shooting is very competitive, but I think we also can do fine without it. If I could change annything it would be to swap some of the corsairs for more warriors in the unit with Lv4 S...

Gongratz on the victory m8. Have a few questions for you :
1. Mundane great weapon on DL ? What about etherals and what about striking last ? Seems risky.
2. Full command on crossbows really needed ?

How did DOC do in you tournament ?

Thx for posting

In my experience : The Keeper can almost win the game on its own, be very aware of it. Bloodletters are very nasty, huge units goes through annything. Flamers ofc is a biatch if you let them go rampage Chuck Norris - tie up the keeper for a while or to take out flamers. Lv 4 + dagger, shaddow magic ...

My comments I you don`t mind : Think your spot on about the deployment. Wide deployment seems to be a bad idea on 8 ed. even with marsh blokking practically gone. Shooting 2x10 xB against deamons is not gonna win the game to say the least. 2x20 might do some harm, but those T4 5+ward save beasts is ...

Trebuchets indeed, guarded by small knight units. Extremely annoying, seems to be autohit spot on every time to. Ofc Teclis if SC is allowed. Slann with lore of life, 2+ward against range, 4+ otherwise and ofc all the nastyness he also brings. Almost unkillable and keeps supporting the the whole arm...

Lv4 with dagger as usuall, but with focus on augment/hex spells so prolly shadow or maby metal. I would consider both general and bsb on dragon/manticore - that 18" range would be very usefull. 2 COB for sure Units ITP would be preferable, panic spreading in a large army wuld be devestating. No...

Hm.. Venom Sword. I must admint I have never used it or never seen it used in my 10 year or so playing wfb. I mean : Need to hit Need to wound Then the monster Need to fail armor save Need to fail ward save Need to fail T test And if fail ---> asassin is DEAD. For 75p this looks to me like a VERY ri...

Aure : Spot on. Best character choise with no lords.
And prolly good to bring a COB and alot of spears. Its gonna be a grudge match in cc from turn 2 me thinks.

2 units of 5 DR with xb used to be a nobrainer in my lists in 7 ed. but not so annymore. There are 4 reasons for that : 1. Cannot brake ranks with side charge ( unless fielding 10 ) 2. Stepping up rule and rolling for charge makes them less predictable against small/medium raf units. 3. Shooting is ...

Very good article, hope to more of these conserning other races aswell. Played against OK in a tournament reasently and beat them even with incredably bad dice on my part. My hitting in cc was like below 10% and my corsairs and we was dying in drowes and loosing even with mindrazor on the witc elves...

Im playing a similar list. But I prefer BG to Exec`s as they do more wounds on average against most opponent units and i don`t use charriots annymore. I just hate that 1 on impact to much. And ofc I never leave hompe without the star/manbane asassin, but I do agree on him not beeing 100% proof in 8 ...

Iv seen one use of smoke an mirrors that might be usefull, but very situational ofc. Lv2 on Peg far out on the side of the enemies units ( ogre kingdom in this ex. ) has just cast Miasma on the big block of ogres and sviches place with the lv 2 with tome and death who then casts Purple Sun with rema...

Didn`t think you could fail panic with COK as they are imun to psyk until you roll for stupidity. And ofc failing ld on 10+ with reroll is so bad luck you just have to succumb to the gods annyway.

The list does lack a bit of punch to be really dangerous out in the field. Its close to the good old shooting+magic list from 7 ed. The hydra is ofc very nice and the BG can be tough, but they can also be killed early. The 5 COK is very weak now in 8 ed. and is not recomended at all to field. Some u...

Under 6 ed. the 6 RBT`s would have been brutal, but as for now, you will probably win the price for softest list in the tournament. No hydra : check No COB : check No lv4 with dagger : check No asassin with star/manbane : check No unkillable master on peg : check Most friendly list Iv ever seen I th...

Very unusual list indeed. Think you will learn the hard way that you are lacking a few things here, but that can be a good experience to if your a sporting guy. There is one think I must comment on though. The master BSB with Hydra banner. Only time hes beein used is in a unit of COK. +1 S6 atack an...

Same as Azlann. You will be surprised how useful this is.