N'Kari as a Special Character choice in the new book?

Dangerous Beans · Post by **Dangerous Beans** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:00 pm

Please note: this is not a rumour or a sneak peak of anything snazzy, just a discussion of the Keeper of Secrets.

I was listening to the Podhammer Podcast link in another post, and was listening to the discussion of slaanesh, dark elves being 'not being much of a force in the present' and the upcoming daemon book.

This got me thinking - *why* is it that daemons are coming before the Druchii (answer that question if you like, but thats not the focus of this discussion), and could this maybe have an impact on our (far flung) book?

Has anyone else noted the impact of daemonic refferences in our description in the 7th edition rulebook? Have a quick flick if you have it near (which I sadly don't

) and check out the colour section that describes each of the armies in Warhammer...

Could GW be planning for the druchii and daemons to be more closely related to one another? (possibly leading us to become the controversial 'chaos elves'

) if so, whats the speculation on this? Could be in some way related to the Cult or anything along those lines...?

Anyway, that again is also a side-question - chat about it if you will.

I finally considered the idea of N'Kari - a Keeper of Secrets that was one of the 4 greater Daemons that fought Aenarion and his Dragon at the climax of the 1st war against chaos (leading to Aenarion's demise). He numerously pops up in the druchii/asur history: he was Malekith's prized 'pet' that was set to hunt down and kill Tyrion (who'd been discovered by one of the assassins sent to find him) whilst he was protecting Alarielle (the everqueen). Teclis temporarily banishes N'Kari and saves the pair of poncy big eared lovebugs *puke* :roll:

N'Kari reappears later on in an epic battle between (I believe when Teclis and Malekith have their magic duel - either that or its in the Battle for Finuvial Plain) the druchii and asur. He has played numerous roles that are linked directly to Malekith: I hope that they address N'Kari's tie to our race in the awaited time of legends book Malekith.

So, onto the topic of this discussion - could N'Kari be a viable option as a special character in our next book, and if so what would he be like? Possible rules etc.

also, if anyone has any more information - fluff, background etc about N'Kari (*hopes Eldacar will join this discussion*

) that would be cool to hear about

hope this'll prove to be some fun

)

- Beanz

Scareypete · Post by **Scareypete** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:21 pm

Would really make the Khainites mad... but if the cult is a viable and legitimate option in the new book... cool.

Consider the repercussions of Grimgor's 'Ardboyz on the new Orc book. A lot of the restrictions and changes on the O&G rules focused around getting more heavy hitters out there.

Of course with the mild influence of the cult that this might mean for the new book will we have a variable list similar to chaos? Slaneshi list, Khanite List and a Unified list? TZEENTCH List?

Apart form the Idea of this Greater demon being a possibility as a special character... and honestly it hasn't gone to print yet so anything is possible. what other possibilities does this leave open? I doubt we will be allowed to take Chaos men... but will demons in general become special or rare choices for the Druchii? Just Slaneesh and furies? or more...

Almundis · Post by **Almundis** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:29 pm

i think theres the possibility that the druchii annointed lord choice might make it into the book, so that you can add a cult feel to your army without having to meld two armies together. But maybe thats just a pipe dream...

Fingol darkwater · Post by **Fingol darkwater** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:36 pm

Malekith having a pet Keeper of Secrets isn't going to upset any Khainites, they know what their King thinks of Chaos

In any case, are you sure it was N'Kari that duked it out with Aenarion? The Widowmaker is supposed to be able to kill daemons. If anything, some other Keeper of Secrets started calling himself N'Kari.

At the very least, there will be more mention of Malekith's pet in the new book I'm sure. Even if they don't make rules for it, they'll make the impression that Malekith isn't afraid to unleash him from time to time.

Scareypete · Post by **Scareypete** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:39 pm

Even if Malekith's pet is Just a Plain old Stock Keeper of Secrets ... which is fine by me.

Can Demons ever really be Killed? Even if slain in combat don't they just poof back into the rift.

"As a Duly Appointed representative of the city, county and state of New York I hereby request that you cease and desist all supernatural activities and return to your home dimension or the nearest parralel universe immediately".

Post by **Rork** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:40 pm

GW are going back to basics with their current crop of books - i.e. accentuating their classic character rather than anything revolutionary. N'Kari just wouldn't figure in the pro-Khaine Malekith-centred view of the Dark Elves.

Fingol23 · Post by **Fingol23** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:43 pm

Apparently searching N'Kari on the uk gw site causes an alert

Fingol darkwater · Post by **Fingol darkwater** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:23 pm

Scareypete wrote:
Can Demons ever really be Killed? Even if slain in combat don't they just poof back into the rift.

Normally no, that's what made the Widowmaker (Sword of Khaine) so dangerous. On top of it's already insane powers, it can kill daemons. Therefore, it could possibly kill gods.

Post by **Drainial** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:59 pm

I dont see it hapening, I would like it to but its probobly not going to. For one thing for anyone not particualy interested in elven background (which even disregarding the fluff iliterate within our own ranks will include quite possibly a majority of players of other races) it will look like Druchii have become Slaanesh worshipors or are just confused. Besides which I doubt Malikith has his pet anymore, it takes a hell of a lot of energy to suport a greater deamon for any length of time and from what I gather even more to sumon it int he first place. That doesn't preclude it being included of course, a sighted Eltharion and Azhag prove that but still.

To to conclude this short and disorganised rant I hope but I doubt, as with most of the ideas that sping up on Druchii net with regards to our next army book.

Slerac fellblade · Post by **Slerac fellblade** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:23 am

Characterwise in the next book I think we will have Mlife the big bad dread king himself, Malus, The Queen Mother, Capytain of the Blackguard, Mr. Big Bad Executioner, Hellebron and everyones favorite assassin Shadowblade. We might also get Rakarth back.

Ranieth · Post by **Ranieth** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:34 am

I'm not so sure about the captain of the Black Guard, at least not Kouran. Am I all wrong, or didn't Kouran get his head chopped off in a fight versus Tyrion in the 6th edition high elf book?

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:11 am

Ranieth wrote:I'm not so sure about the captain of the Black Guard, at least not Kouran. Am I all wrong, or didn't Kouran get his head chopped off in a fight versus Tyrion in the 6th edition high elf book?

Yes...Yes he did...Now let us speak no more of that ridiculous incident.

Daemons can't technically be killed, it's like a cycle of events. Daemon manages to escape the Warp. Goes around killing and doing daemon-ee stuff. Get defeated and banished back to the warp and wait and attempt to escape again. Or if you are lucky you get randomly summoned or you get marked by someone and get summoned when called out. Dies and goes back in Warp.

Post by **Rork** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:30 am

Ranieth wrote:I'm not so sure about the captain of the Black Guard, at least not Kouran. Am I all wrong, or didn't Kouran get his head chopped off in a fight versus Tyrion in the 6th edition high elf book?

It means nothing, though. Eldrad Ulthran was quite famously killed at the end of 40k's Eye of Terror campaign yet still managed to recover in time for the next Eldar codex.

Historical characters can still end up in the book if they have a big enough character or role (cf. the Phoenix Guard leader with the new HE).

(At least DE never had Valten :lol:

)

Post by **Drainial** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:49 am

Slerac Fellblade wrote:Characterwise in the next book I think we will have Mlife the big bad dread king himself, Malus, The Queen Mother, Capytain of the Blackguard, Mr. Big Bad Executioner, Hellebron and everyones favorite assassin Shadowblade. We might also get Rakarth back.

Thats alot of special charactors right there, 7 is a lot to hope for, three or four are more likly. Probobly Malikith, Moraithy (why oh why can't I remember how to spell that name) Malus and Shadowblade or Kauran.

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:52 am

I see Malekith and Morathi as essential Characters to have in our next army book. Being some of the best magic users in game. Morathi is terrifying in the magic phase while Malekith is almost as bad, he is even better in the Combat Phase! What a Dangerous Duo!

Post by **Drainial** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:58 am

Until Malikith gets killed by a fireball or a skink chief with a sword of battle sure.

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:01 pm

Is that before or after he tears them a knew hole to breath through with his hand of Khaine?

Plus he is on a Black Dragon, anyone taking him should try avoid the mages, and aim for the small elite units. Or big weak units.

Post by **Drainial** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:04 pm

Before, on the first or second turns.

Saint of m · Post by **Saint of m** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:36 am

I was under the impresion maly could only die from dark magic (dark lore, death lore, shadow lore, all chaose lores, vamp lore, and so on lore.)

In any case we have seen a high born on a dragon and a chariot (malekith) a high sorceress on a peggasis (morathi) a cold one knight/noble/highborn (malus) and assassin (shadow blade) a black gaurd (kouron) beast master (Rakoth) witch elf/manti rider (helborum) and an executioner (tullaris.)

If any thing ells we need to see a corsair, shade, dark rider, hell, evan a harpy special hero!

As long as we have the CUlt of slanesh list, we can probably have the demonic unit hero/ lord choce. After all, I'm sure there are quite a few slanehie demonic princes and exhulted daemons that love to work with the DE, much less the greater and lesser demons out there.

Slerac fellblade · Post by **Slerac fellblade** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:48 pm

I have a feeling we will lose the cult of slaanesh. It is a nagging horible feeling.

Dangerous Beans · Post by **Dangerous Beans** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:09 pm

@ Fingol Darkwater: I'm about 72.8% sure - my source is the 5th ed high elf book - read it through when I was ill over christmas: I'll try and find a page refference if I can for ya to have a flick

Saint of M wrote:I was under the impresion maly could only die from dark magic

Malekith (ruleswise) can die of any magic form.

Saint of M wrote:If any thing ells we need to see a corsair, shade, dark rider, hell, evan a harpy special hero!

Er, a noble with a dark steed, repeater crossbow, lance and light armour? or a hero with the Scouting magic item (I forget its name - the non-tourney SoC one...) Cloak of Darksouls??? Or for a corsair hero just give a noble a SDC - hey presto!

The Harpy one just wont happen - if we got anything like that itd be a harpy champion with perhaps a slightly improved stat-line (see the Gorgon/Siren ideas discussion HERE)

Saint M wrote:As long as we have the Cult of Slanesh list, we can probably have the demonic unit hero/ lord choce. After all, I'm sure there are quite a few slanehie demonic princes and exhulted daemons that love to work with the DE, much less the greater and lesser demons out there.

hahaha!!

read the 'Aenarion' topic here on the druchii discussion area - see if that changes your mind a little lol!

Anyway, sorry to pick apart what your're saying bro, just seems like either we have it already (the special character options) or that it won't be happening - no matter how much some of us want it

(Rork's right)

Realistically I think we'll be having the M&Ms - Malekith Morathi and Malus, followed by a dose of either Kouran or Tullaris, and then either Hellebron or Rakarth and finally we're almost certainly going to have Shadowblade with some new Temple of Khaine trinkets and slight changes.

I would love to have Kouran/Tullaris replaced by N'Kari (just because I prefer the fluff for N'Kari of these 2) but realistically that ain't gonna happen

I think he'd probably be a slightly empowered Keeper with most of the (doubtless) new slaanesh daemonic abilities (other than just soporific musk and aura of slaanesh) He'd probably have a slightly higher statline too: +1 WS, S and A: enough to make his more lethal in combat but not any harder to kill (apart from an increased WS... :roll:

)

I really hope they mention N'Kari in the next book - there was no refference whatsoever in the 6th ed book which might suggest his being ruled out of the WH world: GW's method to simplify and condense its games...

ah, fun days!

- Beanz

Post by **Drainial** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:26 pm

Funny how there seems to be more Dark elf fluff in the Hight elf book than in the Dark elf one.

Dangerous Beans · Post by **Dangerous Beans** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:38 pm

does seem to be a little odd: is there much in the new asur book about the 'old stories' like N'Kari hunting down Tyrion and Teclis banishing him to the Ethyr? I should maybe go get - purely for fluff reasons if nothing else!

- Beanz

Darkadon · Post by **Darkadon** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:41 am

I definitely would like too see a little more daemonic influence in our next book. Whether or not Malekith has the ability to summon N'Kari in the magic phase or we get an altar of sacrifice where we sacrifice slaves to summon an Avatar of Khaine, I'd like to see it. But I get the feeling the only way we will see any daemons in game terms is an Cult of Pleasure appendix list.

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:50 am

Darkadon wrote:I definitely would like too see a little more daemonic influence in our next book. Whether or not Malekith has the ability to summon N'Kari in the magic phase or we get an altar of sacrifice where we sacrifice slaves to summon an Avatar of Khaine, I'd like to see it. But I get the feeling the only way we will see any daemons in game terms is an Cult of Pleasure appendix list.

Well judging by all the other 7th ed books, there will be no appendix lists. I'm hoping the new damon armybook will allow selected daemons to ally in the DE book.