some help please - looking for info on Furion of Klar Karond

Silar · Post by **Silar** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:36 am

Hi all Druchii warlords
I'm not sure if this is the right forum but here goes. Furion of Klar Karond is he a sorceror or just a scribe? If he is the first one then how come Malekith hasn't slain him? If he is the latter then yeah it will shed alot of light on my plight.
Cheers

Excidium666 · Post by **Excidium666** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:29 pm

There are some exceptions in the druchii culture, for egzample Malus's Darkblade brother is a sorcerer and both Malekith and the Temple of Khaine alowes that. But about Furion, well im not sure. He did actually scribe the history of the dark elves so i would say i scribe. Didnt read anything saying he's a sorcerer

Post by **Dalamar** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:47 pm

Malus' half-brother is not a sorcerer, he's a priest of Bloody-Handed God. yes he's male magic user but he's sanctioned by the temple which somewhat puts him outside of regular law.
Furion is older and more skilled in magic than Malekith, he's also one of his most faithful followers which kinda makes Malekith feels "safe" having him around as he knows the devoted Furion won't try and usurp the throne.

Jenova210 · Post by **Jenova210** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:19 pm

Furion is ascribe, but hes learned all manner of things, so just becasue he knows about magic, doesnt mean he has to use it...

Victor simic · Post by **Victor simic** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:33 am

Yeah, Furion sort of trancends the regular Druchii `laws` pertaining to male Sorcerers.

He is not only the Lord of Clar Karond, but is one of Malekiths `originals`. The legends tell that Furion was one of only a few (three?) Dark Elves that ate the fruit of the Black Tree, giving him immortality. I think the only others to do so were Malekith and possibly Morathi. There are much better Dark Elf history buffs out there than myself (anyone?).

As far as I know, Furion has been with Malekith since before the Sundering, and his loyalty is without question. He has proved himself to the Witch King countless times over more than 5000 years, so I`d say he is exempt from `laws` that apply to `lesser` Druchii. It also seems that Furion is the unofficial scribe/historian of the Druchii Race judging by his writing s in the Army Books. I suppose the job would naturally fall to such a distinguished, loyal, and mighty retainer. But he is much more than just a scribe.

Trawl old White Dwarfs, the old 5th Edition Dark Elf Army Book, and the current Army Book for more on Furion.

Sorry I can`t be more specific.

Fingol darkwater · Post by **Fingol darkwater** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:09 am

As far as I know, Furion has been with Malekith since before the Sundering

Yup. He also served under Caledor Dragontamer and Aenarion IIRC. Furion helped Morathi develop the dark art and came up with the plan to unleash the power of the Vortex on the world.

He is not only the Lord of Clar Karond

No he's not. Clar Karond has three Lords and they change pretty frequently. Furion would hold more power in Naggaroth than all three of them though.

Silar · Post by **Silar** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:06 am

Ok so he is a potent mage and an incredible scribe, would any one know what items he would carry into battle and rules for him if any have been made for him at all. Obviously what i reckon one of those items would be is the tome of Furion, other than that i wouldnt have the foggiest idea what his weapon/s would be. Thanks heaps fellow highborn you have shed a great deal of light on this matter, Fluffwise any more info will be highly appreciated.
Cheers

Excidium666 · Post by **Excidium666** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:53 pm

Im not sure if rules for him exist, anyway i would try looking in the druchii monthly (Herald webzine) you might find what you're looking for in it.

Post by **Dalamar** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:11 pm

I believe there were player made rules for Furion and Hotek floating around these forums a few years back.

Aachil lathanast · Post by **Aachil lathanast** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:41 pm

Dalamar wrote:I believe there were player made rules for Furion and Hotek floating around these forums a few years back.

They were. You can find the rules for Furion in the 3rd part of january 2004 Herald. Here is the link:

http://www.druchii.net/monthly/issues/Jan04_3.pdf

Post by **Underway** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:35 am

There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE THAT FURION IS A MALE!!!!!!!

There was a huge argument about this ages ago on the forums. I challenge everyone here to look in all of their DE fluff and find a reference the Furion is a male.

Furion could easily be a sorceress...

There is not one. Not a single one. This is a case of male assumption, classic male ego getting in the way.

..............
A young man is injured in a car accident. His father is killed in the same accident. He needed emergency surgery. The surgeon comes in and says "I cannot operate on this child, he is my son!" How can this be so??
..............

Silverheimdall · Post by **Silverheimdall** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:37 am

Thats a bit too easy but yeah you're right.

Silar · Post by **Silar** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:15 am

I assumed Furion was a male, so I'm saying he is mainly because I've started modelling a mini on him based on the WE male spellslinger (the one rising in the air)... some good points made to, like it doesn't say whether or not Furion is male or female, and my ego aint getting in the way either, it was an assumption more than a blatantly obvious guess at Furions sex, who in their right mind would call their daughter Furion???? It doesn't make sense :shock:

., I wouldn't call my daughter Furion (If i was an elf) my son however yeah i would..

Cheers

Victor simic · Post by **Victor simic** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:09 am

i wouldnt have the foggiest idea what his weapon/s would be.

There is a reference in one of the Army Books where Furion is narrating, when he talks about going to war and his servants/slaves bringing him his `Scimitar`.

So, one would presume Furions weapon of choice is a Scimitar (which is a curved slashing sword counting as a hand weapon most likely). I would venture to suggest that Furions Scimitar would in all probability have powerful enchantments upon it, therefore in game terms it would be a handy Magical Weapon.

As far as other Items goes...anyone ?

Silar · Post by **Silar** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:38 am

Well the tome of Furion is one of his magic items....Correction a magic item for the dark elves. other than that i would think he weilds great magical abilties by hurtling doom bolts at the enemies of the Druchii. As for the scimitar hmmmm i guess it could be a less deadly version of Malekith's sword (forgotten what its called), or maybe a bit like the Warpsword of Khaine, who knows!!??.

Fingol darkwater · Post by **Fingol darkwater** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:58 pm

Underway wrote:There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE THAT FURION IS A MALE!!!!!!!

There was a huge argument about this ages ago on the forums. I challenge everyone here to look in all of their DE fluff and find a reference the Furion is a male.

It's funny because it's true. I'll stick with my own interpretation of Furion thanks.

Crawd · Post by **Crawd** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:02 pm

Underway wrote:..............
A young man is injured in a car accident. His father is killed in the same accident. He needed emergency surgery. The surgeon comes in and says "I cannot operate on this child, he is my son!" How can this be so??
..............

Nice one, I like it

Post by **Rork** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:17 pm

Underway wrote:There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE THAT FURION IS A MALE!!!!!!!

There was a huge argument about this ages ago on the forums. I challenge everyone here to look in all of their DE fluff and find a reference the Furion is a male.

Furion could easily be a sorceress...

There is not one. Not a single one. This is a case of male assumption, classic male ego getting in the way.

As a pre-6th ed creation, it's more likely that Furion is male. After all, during the sundering Malekith was aided by sorcerers and the ladies were never given a look in.

Post by **Underway** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:47 pm

I'm not disputing that Furion could be a male.

What I am disputing is that there is a reference anywhere that PROVES Furion is a male.

Hey if you want to model Furion as a male go for it.

There is some circumstatial evidence, like the fact Morathi corrupted males from the Tower of Hoeth to become Sorcerers during the Sundering.

The other is that Malekith banned male sorcerers after comming to Naggaroth, so any pre-existing sorcerers would be still alive.

And thirdly Furion is preexisting from 6th ed and at that time male sorcerers were fairly common (I have two mini's of them).

However I stand by my original statement. If you want Furion to be a female go ahead, there is nothing saying that Furion isn't female in the books.

Post by **Thanee** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:34 pm

Furion definitely does sound like a male name, though.

Bye
Thanee

Saint of m · Post by **Saint of m** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:16 am

Furion sounds too masculin to me. But considering there are not alot of official DArk Elf Female names I've heard of other then Morathi and Hel Borum (the first soundign feminin, the second not so much.) So it could be a she, or a he, or considiering how much they like hang out with Slannesh, a he-she.

But I think I'll stick with what little male ego aI have and say he's a dood untill proven otherwise.

Khel · Post by **Khel** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:13 am

Lord Myki of the Hag wrote:Well the tome of Furion is one of his magic items

It's the official "How to Learn Dhar Magic" guide book for uninitiated.

On the topic of Furion being Male or Female, I see Furion as being male but I would prefer him/her to be female. IMO of course.

Mdk · Post by **Mdk** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:52 am

In the first Malus Darkblade book Furion is referred as a "he" and therefor a male. Thats not an official GW fluf though.

Post by **Dalamar** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:23 pm

Random question but why Malus books are so widely not considered "fluff"? They are black library and as such they are fluff (all others are) and I have seen no word from GW that books they themselves release are just random stuff.

Kellindel_mournblade · Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:34 pm

Furion does sound like a human male name, but Elves are not human. For all intents and purposes the female could have been named Furion due to some "star" sign, or due to some other "elf" theory.

As for real life woman not being given a "male" name still hasn't met a girl named Kris/Chris ... or Sam for that matter.

We name girls "Faith", "Hope", "Joy" ... So why would be be unheard of an elf naming their daughter "Furion" or "Fury" for that matter.

All in all we can sit here and say a name doesn't fit when we're not even talking about a culture we could hope to understand. We have our views on how it should be, but the fact that it's not "human" allows the author a level of freedom to do what they will.

And yes, I think he IS mentioned in the lastest Malus novels that Furion IS a male. I can't remember which one, but I also think it's mentioned that he serves a specific purpose for Malekith and that's why he is not strung up for the crows.