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Post by Thenick18 »

Vampire keeps rezzing the champion, and overkill limit is 5 above the wounds of the model.
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not if you kill the champ in his turn because he has to rez it in his magic phase and if you kill it in the following combat phase (his) you have another combat phase, without a champion, in your turn as he can't rezz the champion during your turn
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He can also always refuse the challenge, rather than accepting and handing a nasty combat character free overkill.
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Overkill is limited to +5 (on top of starting wounds)
You can continually overkill the same champion when he's being raised by by Invocation of Nehek (command group comes back first)
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Tethlis wrote:He can also always refuse the challenge, rather than accepting and handing a nasty combat character free overkill.


then the nasty combat character is free to kill his general
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no one wrote:then the nasty combat character is free to kill his general


Oh, I thought we were talking about an example that didn't have a Vampire Lord.

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Post by Colonel »

I believe overkill is 5 more then the models wounds total, You can kill a ghast for 6, he gets raised back in the VC turn and killed again, then in the DE turn you can gack a vampire.
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Post by Camaris »

Why is executioner's axe a bad idea for taking on vamps? It seems to me that exe axe + ASF BG would be one of the better vamp fighting units available to us, since the BG horde kill while the dreadlord vamp kills.
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Post by Dalamar »

The question was about sending a solo dreadlord via steed of shadows into a unit with vampire general in it.

Unit of ASF Black Guard with Executioner's Axe Dreadlord will most probably kill 99% of enemies it engages.
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Unit of ASF Black Guard with Executioner's Axe Dreadlord will most probably kill 99% of enemies it engages.


True indeed, but who's going to engage that? :P
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Post by Gramash »

one little question :
my friend said that there's no way that i could get 5 overkill with only 3 (or was it 4?) attacks

so i looked it up, and the description of the axe said d3 wounds
,is it because of that??

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Post by Dalamar »

It's exactly because of that.
If you're lucky (like really lucky) a Dreadlord with an Executioner's Axe can cause 12 wounds on a single model.
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Post by Sulla »

... wrote:
Unit of ASF Black Guard with Executioner's Axe Dreadlord will most probably kill 99% of enemies it engages.


True indeed, but who's going to engage that? :P
Wight king with the nightshroud. Dreadlord goes last and has a 4+ save to protect him from 3 killing blows, probably rerolling misses or hitting on 3's due to the unit's banner. Or just a VC character with the 'shroud and reroll misses. Him and his horse can kill this lord then slowly cuy his way through the BG.

He still has enough points left to buy either the sword of kings (kb on a 5+) or the one use ward save that bounces back a wound on a 2+.

Skaven or DE assassins would cut this guy in half too.

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Dwarf lord with rune of 'your axe is only s5' plus some other armour buffs and a unit of ironbreakers.

4 beastman chariots... less than the cost of the unit and dreadlord. He will kill one, maybe 2 if lucky enough to be in BTB. In return, his unit will suffer 4d6 s5 hits plus probably hatred s4 hits from crew and beasts. Not much left except him after that.

Those are just the armies I play, and just in combat... :twisted: best thing about the BG/Dreadlord is that players think they are unbeatable
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Post by Undeadcatd »

I always have a BSB of antidoom to backup my Dreadlord with big axe

choose the right target or avoid those "super character" with bsb

ASF means you can change character position (being charged instead of charge)

with the new skaven , lizard and beast books , there are plenty of high T opponent to kill
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