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How to beat those cowardly High Elves?

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The FAQs are out - discuss!

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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/conte ... tid=154572

Assassins do not count for min/max of core or heros etc.

beastmasters can never be hit should the hits be randomized as per BRB

Ring of hotek causes miscast AND stops the spell and no price increase

Hags on cauldrons do NOT count for hero's and can not issue or accept challenges not sure if this is a win as the cauldron rules have changed quite drastically at my 1st look.

anyway check'em out yourself!


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Post by C_freman »

High Elves got a really big boost... they get to keep ASF regardless of weapons, and even get to repeat their rolls (so they essentially got our race rule but improved, plus theirs).

Ring of hotek causes miscast AND stops the spell and no price increase


It DOES NOT stop the spell... where did you see that?
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c_freman wrote:High Elves got a really big boost... they get to keep ASF regardless of weapons, and even get to repeat their rolls (so they essentially got our race rule but improved, plus theirs).

Ring of hotek causes miscast AND stops the spell and no price increase


It DOES NOT stop the spell... where did you see that?


Ah sorry misread, yea so only cast with IF if a double 6, which means we can dispell the spell PLUS they take a miscast when hotek is used.
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@Bies : Hags on cauldrons do NOT count for hero's

it's deathhag that count........

first they list COB as unique in rule book and now warmachine on FAQ , and even say "look at rule book for unit type" in the FAQ.

second , COB count as T10 W3 , but the rule following said only remove COB on 4th wound inflicted

I wounder if GW count :lol:

And the change to ring of hotek , no more "target in 12" part , but also a FAQ explains AOE will trigger ROH..... :shock:
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Beastmasters Scourge now gains +1 A as well - Hello Whip of Agony!

Power of Darkness PD's no longer inflict S4 hits if they dissapear due to a misscast or due to a reached limit - nice. (and we can now use PoD-dices even if there's no chance of reaching the casting value.)

but the rule following said only remove COB on 4th wound inflicted


2 Hags + a Death Hag has 4 wounds, that's what matters. I think the CoBs own woundprofile is irrelevant.

But...no response to if our mounts still get Hatred? HE got their SoA FAQed, why didn't we get our EH FAQed? :S
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For starters - No titles in caps. I really don't want to see that. At all.
Undeadcat - don't double post, please. I've merged your posts. If you have something to say, edit your post if no one has replied after your message yet.
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CoB rules are a mess
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Mr. Anderson wrote:For starters - No titles in caps. I really don't want to see that. At all.
Undeadcat - don't double post, please. I've merged your posts. If you have something to say, edit your post if no one has replied after your message yet.



Sorry Mr.Anderson I was excited. I'll make sure I breathe deep before posting in the future.

riker666 - yea. according to WM rules you get as many wounds a crew for a warmachine so would that mean 3 as in 3 models or 2 for the death hag +2 for each hag = 4. I believe they've added the wounds of all the crew (so 4) as the wounds for the couldron.

What it does mean is that your death hag is not removed now until 4 wounds are done which increase her wound profile by 2 and we still get a 4+ ward.

The common magic items thing is annoying. It means we don't get 2 potion of strength and our potion costs 10pts more then the common item potion.
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Post by Champion_re »

But...no response to if our mounts still get Hatred? HE got their SoA FAQed, why didn't we get our EH FAQed? :S


Page 43 - Eternal hatred
- Change "[...] dark elves may [...]" to "[...] models with this rule [...]" Ignore the last sentence

That last sentence to be ignored reads: "Remember that hatred also applies to mounts as long as their riders are alive"

So that means no more hatred on our mounts from what I can see.
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So HE got SoA their way but we didn't get EH our way eventhough our's was actually supported by our armybook while their was abit farfetched...wonderful -_-
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Druchii sorcery taking a nerf too? how many times will you want to roll more than 6 dice?

Also do we know if harpies count to core % now
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Post by Capricious »

Not sure if this is the way to read it, but:
Models with this rule


Doesn't that refer to the whole model (don't have the book here). aka also the steed.

This got removed:

Remember that hatred also applies to mounts as long as their riders are alive


Because it is not universal and was explained in the previous part by model.

still not sure if this is the way it was meant, FAQing it like the HE thing would have been clearer.

Considering balance issues HE's did use their elite army thing it appears.


Edit:
Druchii sorcery taking a nerf too? how many times will you want to roll more than 6 dice?


When we can get victory points for blowing up our own sorcerors, or when we want to go out with a bang. :/
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Also do we know if harpies count to core


No they don't
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Post by Count zero »

Thanks guys

i wonder if they will reprint he AB's soon with these changes in them. will be a pain to always keep the PDF to hand, and my AB starting to suffer from pages falling out anyway.
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I don't think they ever did that. Even the Witchunter and Daemonhunter codices they put online didn't have the errata's incorporated.
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RoH is triggered by just casting in 12" so no more targeting in the 12" area isnt it?
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Capricious wrote:I don't think they ever did that. Even the Witchunter and Daemonhunter codices they put online didn't have the errata's incorporated.


I'm trying to remember if they did a reprint on later versions of the altered 6th Ed DE book?
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We got trashed, compared to the HE, but not as bad as VC and DoC.

You might have expected something like that, there have to be new over powered armies, that the tournament winning gamers must buy.


as to the ring a little further down the errata

Q. Do area of effect spells miscast on a double if they affect any model
within 12" of the Ring of Hotek? (p102)
A. Yes.



but I'm happy with the way thing's are beacuse

Q. Do attacks from Lifetaker count as magical attacks? (p101)
A. Yes.
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so it just effects area spells if targeted within 12" ?
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we will have to wait for the errata to the errata to make thing's clear :?
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Post by Greenman »

in the german faq:

RoH is cast and target within 12"

in the english ones its just cast within 12"


so what now?

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Post by Setomidor »

Well going by the letter "Cast" can be interpreted as both "cast from" and "cast to". With the added support from the German version I think things are pretty clear.

I was hoping for clarifications on how the Focus Familiar works with regard to Purple Sun, or just miscasts. Both have references to the caster, which I assume is still the caster model and not the familiar, which means that Focus Familiar has no effects on spells such as Purple sun, apart from that you can cast them in the direction the Familiar is facing instead of the Sorceress (remember power whirls have to be cast in the front arc).

I also see Handbows are still 8" while pistols got 12". Can hardly motivate Handbows over Shades / RxB's then, even though avoiding the -1 to hit for long range is still nice.
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Well the second part of the faq states:

Q. Do area of effect spells miscast on a double if they affect any model
within 12" of the Ring of Hotek? (p102)
A. Yes.

That together with the German version and the original version would actually strengthen that it effects both casting from an area (where to caster stands) and casting into area (the 12"bubble of the ring).

I'm not that great with language but lets look at this sentence

"The wizard casts a fire ball at the dark elf warriors." (And the warriors are within 12" of the ring)

Casting spells is fictional so I doubt you'd find a clear definition in a dictionary but still I think this holds:
Casting can mean the actual mumbling of words and waving your staff. In this case only the location of the wizard would matter.
But casting also means throwing, so casting can also refer to actually throwing the fire ball at the warriors. At which time the spell has been cast at the warriors aka has been cast within 12"of the ring.

In short I think casting refers to both where it originates as to what it affects (where it is cast at).
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Post by Greenman »

hmm and why was it in the 7th edition in the army book

cast and target within 12" ?
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Post by Minsc »

After having re-read the FAQ, I think our mounts do get hatred after all, since Eternal Hatred now affects the "modell", not the "Dark Elf".
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