Black Amulet!

Svarthofthi · Post by **Svarthofthi** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:14 pm

SO! This thread is about the Black Amulet! What are some good lord builds with it? Do you find it useful?

Post by **Thanee** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:30 pm

It's ok. I used it in 7th a few times.

In 8th, however, I don't see it as being that useful, since there are so many better ways to spend the magic item allowance now (incl. some cheaper 4+ Ward saves).

Bye
Thanee

Tomcowlin · Post by **Tomcowlin** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:11 pm

I would take it on a supreme sorceress with dark magic. Large units gives you a good chance to get 6 wounds through soul stealer, and then you can start challenging out enemy characters in combat (although I would stay away from killing blow).

Fr0 · Post by **Fr0** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:54 pm

I've found it to be way too many points, and you can put a much better item for the slot required. :/

I used to use it, like back in 5th/6th when it was really good.

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:40 pm

I remember in 4th it was practically mandatory to have a lord with BA and ex-axe. You almost never see either anymore.

Svarthofthi · Post by **Svarthofthi** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:49 am

So then the question is now. If you HAD to use the Black Amulet how would you build your lord choices with it?

Meteor · Post by **Meteor** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:12 am

only will take it with a Supreme Sorceress for the tactic tomcowlin has listed. A dreadlord with it is silly because there's many other powerful and more useful builds, a sorceress with it is ok because you get the standard 4+ protection and can also spend 25pts on a useful arcane item to boot. Except that makes for a very very expensive lv4 caster. I'll only ever use it on my lv4 as a one off for a bit of fun, not as a fulltime serious list

Azimyth · Post by **Azimyth** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:13 am

I used it to once in 7th for fun. and it was fun! I chained about 4 or 5 wounds on a great unclean one. He had the every model take a T test or suffer wound gift.
It went something like this:
1. DL takes a wound;
2. pass BA ward save, GUO takes wound;
3. GUO fails ward, all models in BTB takes a T test;
4. DL fails T test;
5. Pass BA ward;
Ect. Ect.
My opponets face was a sight to behold. I did 8 wounds over about 3 turns of close combat

Eolelfslayer · Post by **Eolelfslayer** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:30 pm

Well, the black amulet is still pretty decent, but ideally it suits your figthy characters much better than sorcerers. Like many posters said, if you dont plan to get the model where it can take wounds from close combat (and no sorcerer would willingly do that) you're better off with a cheaper 4 plus ward.
If, on the other hand, you wanna get stuck i'd rather recommend the amulet.
A good combo is amulet, great weapon and the armour that confers a 2 plus armour save. The pendant would probably make him harder to kill, but with the amulet you can, potentially, turn your opponent's prowess against him.
Its priceless in challanges, and works fine now that you cant clear the killzone anymore, and are bound to get return attacks.

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:25 pm

Svarthofthi wrote:So then the question is now. If you HAD to use the Black Amulet how would you build your lord choices with it?

The other trickster's shard, blood armour, sea dragon cloak and a halberd. You could mount him on a steed, peg or cold one if you wanted, but I wouldn't put him on a monster because it may be easier to kill the monster than him + you make your dreadlord take more hits from shooting.

Ehakir · Post by **Ehakir** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:16 pm

In a unit with MR (2) so he has a 2+ ward save against magic which knocks back

Meteor · Post by **Meteor** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:54 pm

The amulet only works against CC attacks, not magic missiles/direct damage spells.

Svarthofthi · Post by **Svarthofthi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:34 pm

Yeah no backbiting fireballs unfortunately. Course the ward save is still there so it is nice to have anyways. 2+ ward save vs damaging spells and in close combat always challenge.

Fr0 · Post by **Fr0** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:05 pm

It grants you a ward save, it only reflects in cc though. Would be awesome if it worked against spells though.

Svarthofthi · Post by **Svarthofthi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:19 pm

Yeah, that'd teach Teclis a thing'er two.

Meteor · Post by **Meteor** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:44 am

ah...if only it somehow could reflect dwellers from below that teclis can pull off with 4 or 5 dice that we can't stop

Phierlihy · Post by **Phierlihy** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:27 am

Dreadlord - riding a Cold One weilding a Lance & Shield and wearing Heavy Armour and a Sea Dragon Cloak. He carries the Black Amulet and a Potion of Strength. He either rides with Cold One Knights or with a unit of Corsairs bearing the Sea Serpent Standard for Frenzy (or has a Cauldron of Blood backing him up). He has between 4-6 Hatred attacks on the charge at strength 9. He kills Bloodthirsters.

Svarthofthi · Post by **Svarthofthi** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:40 am

Love it.

The virgin forest · Post by **The virgin forest** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:41 am

Personally I prefer my dreadlord with Armour of Darkness, Crown of Stubborn, Pendant of Cheese and a good ol' great weapon on a dark steed, a decent tarpit that can outlive most challenges - and its really heroic to have your lord stand alone 'against all odds'.

Then have a supreme sorceress with the Black Amulet, Focus Familiar and Dark Magic hanging with some frenzied corsairs - just for the added PMS

Meteor · Post by **Meteor** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:52 pm

It's preferable to put that dreadlord on a dark pegasus just to avoid KB attacks

Valkyre · Post by **Valkyre** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:51 pm

black amulet is a nice suprise if ye often play against the same ppl, unfortunatly, its just to expensive (read, uncombinable with other items) to be a staple of the list

Pjeos · Post by **Pjeos** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:42 pm

Meteor wrote:It's preferable to put that dreadlord on a dark pegasus just to avoid KB attacks

Dark Pegasus no longer avoid KB, sadly.

See ya

Greenbay924 · Post by **Greenbay924** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:16 pm

PjEOs wrote:
Meteor wrote:It's preferable to put that dreadlord on a dark pegasus just to avoid KB attacks

Dark Pegasus no longer avoid KB, sadly.

See ya

And that FAQ ruling makes no sense,

pg. 72 of the BRB - "Killing blow is only effective against infantry, cavalry and warbeasts - all other creatures are considered either too large to be felled by a single blow (monsters, monstrous infantry/cavalry/beasts, chariots and so on)..."

pg. 105 of the BRB - "Very rarely, a character will have the option to ride a monstrous beast. In this case, the whole model is treated as having the troop type 'monstrous cavalry' and follows all the rules for both characters and monstrous cavalry models"

"It's worth noting that the rules for Ridden Monsters do not apply to monstrous cavalry mounts - they are two distinct troop types."

And GW doesn't even follow it's own rules...

So, bloodcrushers themselves are immune to KB, but my character on DP isn't? LAME

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:39 pm

That's what happens when you rely on rules loopholes. Sometimes they up and FAQ ya...

Greenbay924 · Post by **Greenbay924** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:05 pm

I don't see how it's a loophole, from realistic standpoint (I know, we're talking about a fantasy world)

How does a generic monstrous cavalry gain a protection that a character monstrous cavalry doesn't get?

So skulltaker, who is supposed to be bigger and badder than a regular bloodcrusher, can be KBd, bu ta regular crusher is immune.

Just seems weird to me. Not really a huge issue or anything, as so few units actually have KB