A few rules questions

[jgascoine011]

I managed to get in a couple of games the other day and well i was just wondering about a couple of rules that came up.

1) Does the death hag retain her poison if she takes a magic weapon?
My opponent said that they dont however i cant find any where in the rules that says taking a magic weapon removes their poison and i think he was thinking about the old assassin rules.

2) Do you get to use an additional hand weapon on the cauldron?
Again my opponent pointed that both the death hag and its 2 attendants cant use an additional hand weapon while mounted on the cauldron because under the rules, you cant use 2 hand weapons while mounted. I actually think he is correct about this but was wondering if you guys could point something different out.


Thanks

[Haagrum]

1. Poisoned Attacks doesn't work with magic weapons. BRB, page 73 - Poisoned Attacks is a special rule for the model which affects its attacks, and the rule states (amongst other things) that "Any spells cast by the model are unaffected, as are any attacks made with magic weapons they might be wielding".

2. The rules for Additional Hand Weapons states that a model only gets the Extra Attack rule if they are on foot. The Cauldron of Blood is a chariot, so the Death Hag doesn't get +1 Attack for two hand weapons when she's on it.

[Askador]

I hope you dont mind i Hijack this Post to ask a Question myselv.

I had a game against Lizards yesterday. I lost the Hag on the Cauldron and had the Problem after the Fight. The Cauldron Chariot itselve has no Leadership Number in my Armybook. The Witches on the Chariot also only have a "-". We had no idea how to manage the Leadership Test on the Cauldron without the Hag on it.

Any ideas?

[Shrapnels]

I play it by the no LD value..

meaning you would only pass LD test on insane courage
go snakeeyes

[Haagrum]

I hope you dont mind i Hijack this Post to ask a Question myselv.

I had a game against Lizards yesterday. I lost the Hag on the Cauldron and had the Problem after the Fight. The Cauldron Chariot itselve has no Leadership Number in my Armybook. The Witches on the Chariot also only have a "-". We had no idea how to manage the Leadership Test on the Cauldron without the Hag on it.

Any ideas?

The Cauldron has no Ld value by itself, therefore it will automatically fail such tests (BRB p10).

If it's part of a unit, it will use the Ld of the unit, since the Cauldron can join and leave units as though it was a character (Army Book p47). Based on that ability, the rules for combined units will apply even without the Death Hag (BRB pp99-100).

[Dyvim tvar]

I play it by the no LD value..

meaning you would only pass LD test on insane courage
go snakeeyes

According to the FAQ, a unit with "-" for Leadership automatically fails Ld tests, so Insane Courage doesn't even work.

[Shrapnels]

According to the FAQ, a unit with "-" for Leadership automatically fails Ld tests, so Insane Courage doesn't even work.

My bad.. didn't help me at all either ways, but thanks ^^

[jgascoine011]

How about the 2 witch elves on top of the cauldron though? Do they also not get the additional weapon rule?

[Trax]

How about the 2 witch elves on top of the cauldron though? Do they also not get the additional weapon rule?

No. Same reason like with the Death Hag.

As for the Ld of the Cauldron: Bet this'll get FAQ'ed (which year ever a FAQ may arrive...), the Bloodwrack Shrine uses the attendants Ld as well, but "-" means "0"/all tests on it fail.

[Shearov]

As everyone has said, but if you need proof for the 'gamers' who only obey the rules as written. The BRB FAQ 1.4

Q: Does a unit that has a LD of ‘0’ or ‘-’ automatically fail
Leadership tests? (p10)
A: Yes.

[Omnichron]

So, why do the WE ontop get "-" LD I wonder... GW with their many mistakes.

I bet they have the same LD as WE. Houserule it.

[Vulcan]

2. The rules for Additional Hand Weapons states that a model only gets the Extra Attack rule if they are on foot. The Cauldron of Blood is a chariot, so the Death Hag doesn't get +1 Attack for two hand weapons when she's on it.

Which makes you wonder why GW bothered to give the CREW two hand weapons, both on the model AND in the rules...

[Liquidedust]

2. The rules for Additional Hand Weapons states that a model only gets the Extra Attack rule if they are on foot. The Cauldron of Blood is a chariot, so the Death Hag doesn't get +1 Attack for two hand weapons when she's on it.

Which makes you wonder why GW bothered to give the CREW two hand weapons, both on the model AND in the rules...

It is GW, oversight deluxe probably.

[Dalamar]

Rule of cool for the model

And consistency in the rules (all witch elves have two hand weapons, so witch elf crew also has two hand weapons)

[Lion of flanders]

...and it also fits with the old saying from the Royal Navy "One hand for yourself and one for the Ship", i.e. they might have two weapons but they need one hand "for the ship" and its shifts and movements.