A very succesfull kainite list 2k
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:40 am
what went before:
Ending last edition dark elves, i was working with a nicely working cauldron list of 3 x 10 WE, 3 x 10 corsairs, 4 nobles on a peggy, some DR and some harpies and of course a cauldron.
well, enter edition 7 for the DE ad well. all old lists went overboard, and due to black guard ans shade improvement, chariot no l;onger 2 for 1 etc etc, there was no more slots left for Witch elves in any lists.
I did like my naked, bloodthirsty ladies thou, and well, having something like 50 of them on the shelves. i wanted to use them again.
Combine this with more and more thourneys allowing special chars in the setting when they are in the normal hero selection, the obvious choice to try something with the uber biatch (making the other ones core, thus unlimited) was made.
this resulted in the following, way overpowered, list
Crone hellebron
death hag BSB with a cauldron
noble with 3 nulll talismans (ha. sdc, GW)
8 x 6 witch elves (no command)
3 x 5 harpies
15 black guard with full command, ring of hotek, banner of hag greaf
2 x war hydra
clocking in at 1997 pts ( no noble model with a shield)
this list does not rock, it rolls (over the enemy)
it has way to many threats ( 6 WE with hatred gives statistically 16 hits of which 4 poison vs ws 3, or 13/14 hits with at about 5 poison vs ws 4 to ,
th BG is ( with noble and hellebron) the obvious danger, as are the hydras, but well, the true beathy are stubborn ld 8 BsB rerolling WE units, which also are ready to die for Khaine, should the need arise.
after a tourney today, hellebron has gotten enough blood to rejuvenate herself for a couple of centruries non stop.
in 3 battles the sole enemy survivor was 1 orge kingdoms hunter (shooting out of charge range the last round, (the cats were dead)
orcs and chaos korne mortals was both finished totally in 3 rounds.
At first i though i was lucky on my to hit rolls, doing 15 to 18 hits with the WE, but well, cannot have that much luck, so i started counting out that 16 hits IS AVERAGE, and once the enemy finds that out too, the BG can get into combat to (no army can deal with 11 threats to main combat units, esp when they get prolonged due to stubborn units with a BSB reroll.
i really wished i could build s list with core we without a special char, but if that is what it takes ( and 400+ unit to protect her), well, even for 750 pts in total, it is worth it. the unit in itself will not make its points back. the many WE will
personally, i think this will be the list that will cry cheese in big ammounts in a short time, with as only (possible) weakness a MSU high elf list
(killing blow on a hydra eats through arnoursaves, WE reap blood bu the gallons on infantry, and when ye really need it, the crone with 7 to 9 strikes first St 10 attacks kills everything
Ending last edition dark elves, i was working with a nicely working cauldron list of 3 x 10 WE, 3 x 10 corsairs, 4 nobles on a peggy, some DR and some harpies and of course a cauldron.
well, enter edition 7 for the DE ad well. all old lists went overboard, and due to black guard ans shade improvement, chariot no l;onger 2 for 1 etc etc, there was no more slots left for Witch elves in any lists.
I did like my naked, bloodthirsty ladies thou, and well, having something like 50 of them on the shelves. i wanted to use them again.
Combine this with more and more thourneys allowing special chars in the setting when they are in the normal hero selection, the obvious choice to try something with the uber biatch (making the other ones core, thus unlimited) was made.
this resulted in the following, way overpowered, list
Crone hellebron
death hag BSB with a cauldron
noble with 3 nulll talismans (ha. sdc, GW)
8 x 6 witch elves (no command)
3 x 5 harpies
15 black guard with full command, ring of hotek, banner of hag greaf
2 x war hydra
clocking in at 1997 pts ( no noble model with a shield)
this list does not rock, it rolls (over the enemy)
it has way to many threats ( 6 WE with hatred gives statistically 16 hits of which 4 poison vs ws 3, or 13/14 hits with at about 5 poison vs ws 4 to ,
th BG is ( with noble and hellebron) the obvious danger, as are the hydras, but well, the true beathy are stubborn ld 8 BsB rerolling WE units, which also are ready to die for Khaine, should the need arise.
after a tourney today, hellebron has gotten enough blood to rejuvenate herself for a couple of centruries non stop.
in 3 battles the sole enemy survivor was 1 orge kingdoms hunter (shooting out of charge range the last round, (the cats were dead)
orcs and chaos korne mortals was both finished totally in 3 rounds.
At first i though i was lucky on my to hit rolls, doing 15 to 18 hits with the WE, but well, cannot have that much luck, so i started counting out that 16 hits IS AVERAGE, and once the enemy finds that out too, the BG can get into combat to (no army can deal with 11 threats to main combat units, esp when they get prolonged due to stubborn units with a BSB reroll.
i really wished i could build s list with core we without a special char, but if that is what it takes ( and 400+ unit to protect her), well, even for 750 pts in total, it is worth it. the unit in itself will not make its points back. the many WE will
personally, i think this will be the list that will cry cheese in big ammounts in a short time, with as only (possible) weakness a MSU high elf list
(killing blow on a hydra eats through arnoursaves, WE reap blood bu the gallons on infantry, and when ye really need it, the crone with 7 to 9 strikes first St 10 attacks kills everything