Assassin Team

Irtehdar · Post by **Irtehdar** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:44 am

Firstly yes Im aware that Im crazy.
Im going to attend an Indy tournament in the near future and well... Time for my Druchii to march into battle.
Ive done 2-3 Assassins running around like individual models and teamworking quite afew times and they got potential. But Now I wanna take it up a notch.
I came up with the idea while being bored waiting for my laundry.
Firstly I cackled madly for a moment. Then I started thinking about the idea and the potential behind such a list. Then a cackled abit louder.

Master - RoH, full mundane, lance, CO - 149
Sorc - 2x DS - 150
5 WE's - Hag, Manbane - 85
5 WE's - Hag, Manbane - 85
5 WE's - Hag, Manbane - 85
5 WE's - Hag, Manbane - 85
10 RxB - 100
10 RxB - 100
10 RxB - 100
Assassin - ToD, RoK, xhw - 151
Assassin - ToD, RoK, xhw - 151
Assassin - ToD, RoK, xhw - 151
Assassin - ToD, RoK, xhw - 151
Assassin - ToD, RoK, xhw - 151
Assassin - ToD, RoK, xhw - 151
Assassin - ToD, RoK, xhw - 151

Total - 1996

My thought was to reveal the Assassins right away and run them as individual models behind a meatscreen of Witches.
The Assassins can certainly dish out the pain in big enough numbers that they wont need to worry about retalitory attacks or SCR.
Im not aiming at winning every battle (I know this list got flaws) but am I going to get slaugthered in every battle?

Red... · Post by **Red...** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:58 am

Against any army with a decent gun or missile line (or even magic), basically yes. Particularly if they have a hill. The Witch Elves - with zero armour save and T3 will get wiped out in turns 1 and 2, leaving the assassins to become pin cushions in turn 3. Even the RxBs will die quick and fast, as they have just 6+ saves.

Against non gun or missile armies you may do okay, but it's still very high risk.

I like the idea of themed armies, but think it's best not to take them as far as this. I'd knock out a few assassins and take a few more rank and file troops (a couple of blocks of warriors with shields for example). That would give the enemy additional targets to worry about and you could use the actual units to prevent the assassins from missile fire etc, rather than relying either on small units of WEs to act as screens or protecting units.

That's just imo though.

Dumbledore · Post by **Dumbledore** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:12 am

Maybe use corsairs instead of witches. Wouldn't witchbrew be better than manbane on the hags? That way it makes your assassins somewhat SCR-immune (outnumber at least, flanks etc)

Sulla · Post by **Sulla** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:37 am

If you want a dozen assassins, I would run a pair of 20-strong warrior units in there too. As soon as the assassins are revealed, they all run to the warrior units, giving an entire front rank of assassins in each.

To be really mean, I would equip all the assassins with rending star/manbane combo. 5 assassins all throwing 3 'miss-on-one' shots at T+2 is a daunting prospect... And that's just one unit.

Take a cauldron hag as the general if you want the option of killing blows, Muahahahahaha!

Linkinhearts666 · Post by **Linkinhearts666** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:05 am

To be really mean, I would equip all the assassins with rending star/manbane combo. 5 assassins all throwing 3 'miss-on-one' shots at T+2 is a daunting prospect... And that's just one unit.

Take a cauldron hag as the general if you want the option of killing blows, Muahahahahaha!
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haha now thats beastly!

I like your idea! I wouldnt really say that its incredibly practical to all ends and purposes but I definately think it would be a hell of a laugh to play with! And hey, isnt that what gamings about??

Thenick18 · Post by **Thenick18** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:07 pm

sulla wrote:If you want a dozen assassins, I would run a pair of 20-strong warrior units in there too. As soon as the assassins are revealed, they all run to the warrior units, giving an entire front rank of assassins in each.

To be really mean, I would equip all the assassins with rending star/manbane combo. 5 assassins all throwing 3 'miss-on-one' shots at T+2 is a daunting prospect... And that's just one unit.

Take a cauldron hag as the general if you want the option of killing blows, Muahahahahaha!

Only 1 assassin is allowed per unit of infantry sorry to pop that idea with stars. Its under the assassin rules in the army book.

Irtehdar · Post by **Irtehdar** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:21 pm

Well my idea was that my army would be basically played like any other MSU army as it is essentially 15 small units.
The 3 crossbow units camp my deployment zone and hold those 2 table quarters meaning the enemy has to send something after them. The witches gets shot to pieces and I attempt to get the assassins into the blind angles between the enemy units while something is still alive. And from there play it MSU style.

Im not into putting multiple Assassins into a unit. If theres 20 warriors and 5 assassins in a unit it takes abit of shooting and all 5 Assasins just ran off the table.

This is my regular gaming group and I know theres gonna be armies like O&G, WE and Khemri in there too. I just want to screw with the guys and say ''I have an Assassin here, here, here... and two over here! And this one here too!''

And I know this is not a cheese I.W.I.N. army.

Post by **Calisson** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:35 pm

Take a COB DH for general.
Then the assassins become stubborn Ld 10 who can challenge?
Plus all these stubborn WE around?

Alas, the Banner of Nagarythe costs too much and requires a BSB so that would mean many less assassins, otherwise I would have suggested it as well.

Nathan mcduck · Post by **Nathan mcduck** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:35 pm

thenick18 wrote:Only 1 assassin is allowed per unit of infantry sorry to pop that idea with stars. Its under the assassin rules in the army book.

As far as I understand the assassin rules, only one can be hidden in a unit. There's nothing stopping you from joining multiple (already revealed) assassins to a unit during battle.

Thenick18 · Post by **Thenick18** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:49 pm

Good point, I didn't think about it that way.

Red... · Post by **Red...** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:54 pm

The witches gets shot to pieces and I attempt to get the assassins into the blind angles between the enemy units while something is still alive. And from there play it MSU style.

I assume you're vetoing all hills then? Your opponent will clearly target the single assassins quickly and lethally, worrying about the lesser units later.

It would be one thing if you had enough models on the table to withstand a heavy round of shooting or artillery, but you don't and you won't. Any remotely prepared opponent will pepper this tiny army to dust.

The other thing is that, good though assassins are, they're ultimately not incredible, so even if you do manage to get 2 or 3 into combat, you'll probably still lose. And you will have lost a lot of points before that even happens (every assassin killed by shooting is nearly 200 points lost!).

Yeah, I get that it's supposed to be wacky and fun, but I just don't believe it will work.

The 3 crossbow units camp my deployment zone and hold those 2 table quarters meaning the enemy has to send something after them

No, they won't. They'll realise nearly immediately that if they kill all your assassins and witch elves, they've already won with a solid victory or massacre score and will therefore probably ignore them. If need be, they'll come and round them up later once the rest of the game has been won. Particularly as your range is justr 24", so he could just sit back out of range and wait, while dealing with your assassins and witch elves first.

Slortor · Post by **Slortor** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:17 pm

as Callison said a COB DH for the general is vital in this list i think - making all those assassains stubborn will help a lot for that one round where everythign comes up ones.

It'll be fun to play with sure - I think id have to test it to evaluate just how good it would be though