Dark Elves 2.25k, ETC-list

Daliskhan · Post by **Daliskhan** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:29 pm

Hey all!
Trying to put together a solid DE-list for a upcoming tournament.
They will be using the ETC-restrictions.

Characters:

Supreme sorc
lvl 4, PoK, Focus Familiar, Life Taker, Dark Pegasus (400)

Sorc
lvl 2, 2 dispel Scrolls (185)

Master
BSB, Hydra banner, Cold one, H.A, shield, S.D.C, Lance (214)

Core:

5 Harpies (55)

5 Dark Riders (117)
Musician, rXbow

15 xBowmen (185)
FC, Shields

14 warriors (113)
Shileds, FC (lvl2 sorc goes here)

Assassin (171)
ahw, manbane, stars, cloak

Special:

5 Cold one Knights (175)
FC

5 Cold one Knights (210)
FC, asf banner (bsb goes here)

8 Shades (136)
ahw

7 Shades (126)
Gw

Rare:

Hydra (175)

2247p total
Dispel: 5 dice + 2 scrolls
Power 8 dice + cloak

Whad do you think?

Ozur · Post by **Ozur** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:57 pm

Seems like a solid list, but the setup of the crossbowmen and warriors seems less than optimal.

You can save some points by dropping the command group on the crossbowmen and reducing them to 10.

You can also save some points by removing the musician from the knight units.

This gives enough points to increase the size of the warriors to 20 and add a War Banner, or drop the warriors and add 10 more crossbowmen. May also have enough points to add another unit of 5 Harpies.

Daliskhan · Post by **Daliskhan** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:00 pm

Ozur wrote:Seems like a solid list, but the setup of the crossbowmen and warriors seems less than optimal.

You can save some points by dropping the command group on the crossbowmen and reducing them to 10.

You can also save some points by removing the musician from the knight units.

This gives enough points to increase the size of the warriors to 20 and add a War Banner, or drop the warriors and add 10 more crossbowmen. May also have enough points to add another unit of 5 Harpies.

I will think of it.
The problem is that the ETC-restrictions only allows 35 repeater crossbows in the army and only two units of flyers.

DARK ELVES -Max. 35 repeater crossbows in the army; Max. 8 shades per unit; Max. 2 flying units or characters; Assassins after the first take a hero choice; Pendant of khaleth takes a hero choice; Ring of hotek takes a hero choice; Max. 1 Large Target; Max. 1 Rare choice

Ozur · Post by **Ozur** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:10 pm

Didn't notice your Dark Riders have crossbows. You could always drop the DR crossbows and then change your 15 crossbowmen into 2 units of 10. Should have enough points for that just by trimming away some command groups.

Daliskhan · Post by **Daliskhan** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:17 am

Second try:

Characters:

Supreme sorc
lvl 4, PoK, Focus Familiar, Life Taker, Dark Pegasus (400)

Sorc
lvl 2, 2 dispel Scrolls (185)

Master
BSB, Hydra banner, Cold one, H.A, shield, S.D.C, Lance (214)

Core:

5 Harpies (55)

5 Dark Riders (117)
Musician, rXbow

5 Dark Riders (117)
Musician, rXbow

10 xBowmen (185)
musician

14 warriors (113)
Shileds, FC (lvl2 sorc goes here)

Assassin (171)
ahw, manbane, stars, cloak

Special:

5 Cold one Knights (167)
Champion standard

5 Cold one Knights (202)
Champion, standard, asf banner (bsb goes here)

8 Shades (136)
ahw

6 Shades (108)
Gw

Rare:

Hydra (175)

2250p total
Dispel: 5 dice + 2 scrolls
Power 8 dice + cloak

dropped 1 shade with great weapon, the cold one musicians, 5 crossbowmen and their command and their shields. and added a second unit of dark riders.

The avenger · Post by **The avenger** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:07 pm

I will strongly suggest that you ditch the DP on the lvl4, and get a second unit of harpies, as they always seem to be lifeimportant to me, screening away the worst things your opponent has

Daliskhan · Post by **Daliskhan** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:13 pm

could work. dark steed instead DP. I will try this list tonight and if it doesn't work I will try with 2 units of harpies

Drek · Post by **Drek** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:36 pm

I've lost sorcs on DS before, but I have only once in my entire life lost a sorc on a DP. Ok, so there was that one time where she rolled a 5 on her flee roll and was 6 from the board edge, but still... I've only lost her once. Take that for whatever it is worth.

I honestly don't get the point of having the ASF banner on a unit of COK, especially with the Hydra banner. They should obliterate whatever they hit. EDIT: And they should be the ones doing the charging. They shouldn't get charged.

Also not sure about the 2nd unit of Shades. Finding a place to put two scouting units can be tough.

Putting a sorc in a unit of Spearmen that small is going to scream for the enemy to charge them, and I'm not sure you can stop him. I think you can, but I'd feel a lot better if there were 20 with the war banner.

Daliskhan · Post by **Daliskhan** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:35 pm

Drek wrote:I've lost sorcs on DS before, but I have only once in my entire life lost a sorc on a DP. Ok, so there was that one time where she rolled a 5 on her flee roll and was 6 from the board edge, but still... I've only lost her once. Take that for whatever it is worth.

I honestly don't get the point of having the ASF banner on a unit of COK, especially with the Hydra banner. They should obliterate whatever they hit. EDIT: And they should be the ones doing the charging. They shouldn't get charged.

Also not sure about the 2nd unit of Shades. Finding a place to put two scouting units can be tough.

Putting a sorc in a unit of Spearmen that small is going to scream for the enemy to charge them, and I'm not sure you can stop him. I think you can, but I'd feel a lot better if there were 20 with the war banner.

ASF-banner with hydra banner makes them able to take a charge. With 4 str 4 attacks for each cold one and that makes up for their short M and stupidity.

I agree 20 warriors and warbanner would be nice, but its hard to find points for them. I rather maximise my shooting.

Daliskhan · Post by **Daliskhan** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:44 pm

I played my first game tonight with the new list.
I played against 2600 DoW.
He had:
hero on dragon
lvl 4 or horse
lvl 2 on foot
paymaster
2x 5 heavy knights
8 duelists
10 crossbowmen
15 dwarves with x-bow
2x 4 maneaters
3 cannons

I massacred him. I lost 8 shades and an assassin.

Cold one knights with asf and bsb did wonders, the assassin also performed well.

Daliskhan · Post by **Daliskhan** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:22 pm

I have modified my list a bit. Any thoughts?

1 Supreme Sorceress @ 400 Pts
General; Magic Level 4
Lifetaker
Focus Familiar
Pendant of Khaeleth
Dark Pegasus

1 Sorceress @ 197 Pts
Magic Level 2
Dispel Scroll
Dispel Scroll
Dark Steed

1 Death Hag @ 225 Pts
Poison Attacks; Cauldron of Blood; Frenzy; 2ndWeapon; Battle Standard

1 Cauldron of Blood

CORE

5 Harpies @ 55 Pts

5 Dark Riders @ 117 Pts
Spear; Rptr Crossbow; Light Armour; Musician

5 Dark Riders @ 117 Pts
Spear; Rptr Crossbow; Light Armour; Musician

10 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 100 Pts
Rptr Crossbow; Light Armour

14 Dark Elf Warriors @ 284 Pts
Spear; Light Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician; Champion

1 Dark Elf Assassin @ [171] Pts
2ndWeapon
Cloak of Twilight
Rending Star
Manbane

SPECIAL

5 Cold One Knights @ 167 Pts
Lance; Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; Champion

5 Cold One Knights @ 167 Pts
Lance; Heavy Armour; Shield; Standard; champion

7 Shades @ 126 Pts
Great Weapon; Rptr Crossbow

7 Shades @ 119 Pts
2ndWeapon; Rptr Crossbow

RARE

1 War Hydra @ 175 Pts

Casting Pool: 8+1 bound

Dispel Pool: 5+2 scrolls

Models in Army: 73

Total Army Cost: 2249