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hi i jus tthought up a combo for my highborn, im not 100% sure its legal ok give him spear of twighlight, giving him kb, then if i give him hail of doom cna they be combined? if so i think this will work greatly and will most probably try it out, as i said i just thought it up, not 100% sure its legal. what do you all think?
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Legal in that you can take them both, yes. However if you think the KB of the Spear of Twilight, in any way affects the Hail of Doom arrow (i.e. giving it KB) then I'm afraid you're mistaken.
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well the spear gives the kb ability, so shots cause kb because he has the ability, thats how i read it. after all its liek the blood armour/lifetaker, the armour doesnt say just from cc attacks.
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It might be worth re-reading the rules for KB in the BRB. The ranged equivalent of Killing Blow is Lethal Shot (as per the WE Army Book)
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oh i just thought as it says kb, you could combine it with reanged weapon, i suppose otherwise id see a draich of dark power with a rxb on nobles.
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Yeah. You'd also see a fair few Wood Elf Lords with Spear of Twilight and Bow of Loren ;).
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ok thanks for clearing it up for me, well it was worth a try lol.
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Actually, strictly speaking, a model with KB has KB ability on all of its attacks - hence the popular idea of a Swordmaster character with a longbow. However, whoever tries to actually pull this off deserves a tank in sports department...
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KidA wrote:Actually, strictly speaking, a model with KB has KB ability on all of its attacks - hence the popular idea of a Swordmaster character with a longbow. However, whoever tries to actually pull this off deserves a tank in sports department...

I thought that had been sorted out with a cleaner definition of 'attack'?
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Amarel wrote:I thought that had been sorted out with a cleaner definition of 'attack'?

Where? We can only hope a 7th ed clears this up...
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Yeah. You'd also see a fair few Wood Elf Lords with Spear of Twilight and Bow of Loren


You'd also see me pointing out you can't carry two magic weapons...

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KidA wrote:Where? We can only hope a 7th ed clears this up...

Thought it was in an official FAQ... Guess not.

AoA wrote:You'd also see me pointing out you can't carry two magic weapons...

Yes, yes. Bad example off the top of my head ;).
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ah os im right, you can it probably just wasnt meant to be like that. hmm dont know if ill try that, i may do.
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beastmaster kurlan wrote:ah os im right, you can it probably just wasnt meant to be like that. hmm dont know if ill try that, i may do.

You will find no-one who thinks each arrow from the HoDA effect is an 'attack' for the purpose of KB. If you try to use it at a club, expect it not to be allowed.
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Wow that whole thing is so poorly worded, both killing blow and the spear's rules would suggest that you can use kb on your ranged attacks. That's funny actually, and I don't think you can argue it at all. It says in the BRB that when you roll a 6 to wound you kill the model, man sized or eq., but no where does it describe the source of the wounding, so using it with hail of doom seems completely plausible.
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Thanatos wrote:so using it with hail of doom seems completely plausible.

Ruleswise, yes. However, this clearly isn't meant to be and should you want to keep your friends, don't even start his debate in your gaming group. Just file it under another GW oversight...
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hmm i dunno itl definately go to tournies anyway, as he has the spear and hod anyway, but its in blakc and white so woohoo kb hail of doom.
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why would u wanna waste such a good shot on kb's anyway would there be a point if its notgonna hit any characters?

james don't worry ur tactic won't be very effective unless a unit has a lot of chars in it.
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On the topic itself, you'd probably get a slap from me trying to do that. I see it as a clear case of trying to bend badly worded rules to your own cause. Didn't the WPS pack for the Pillage have a paragraph detailing this kind of behaviour?

Regardless, I don't see it being super effective anyway, but its clearly not a disadvantage and if your character plans to have both anyway...

Oh btw, I assume you wont be using the Spear of Twilight as a spear, as it doesnt say so in its description, being that your sticking to the rules so rigidly on this character ;)

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yer but chris youd take any excuse to slap me. the way i see it is the fatc that its in blakc and white i cna do it, whether people liek it or not its legal same as a steam tank, you may not liek it but people cna use it, smae for 2 hellblasters, the list goes on. and sorry about us lot we were just having a laugh, itl be sensible form now on dont worry.
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ok i was looking on the warhammer forums and it had some woodies q&a and on it i found this though it says its unnofficial i thought it might be interesting to see :

Q/ Does the "Spear of Twilight" provide Killing Blow with other attacks, such as with the character's longbow? Or with spites?
A\ Errata: "Attacks made with this weapon have the Killing Blow special rule"
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Post by Beastmaster kurlan »

werll deathraider its unofficial so it doesnt make a difference. same as soc lists are unofficial peopel still use them
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beastmaster kurlan wrote:same as soc lists are unofficial peopel still use them

Storm of Chaos lists are official. They've just been dropped off of the 'allowed list' for the UK GT is all.
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Amarel wrote:
beastmaster kurlan wrote:same as soc lists are unofficial peopel still use them

Storm of Chaos lists are official. They've just been dropped off of the 'allowed list' for the UK GT is all.


yes clubs and friends can still use soc rules they just can't take them to gt's and maybe others if they start to follow the same idea as gw. They are not saying that they are unofficial everywhere only in tournaments run by gw
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ah ok sorry i realise that was a bad example.
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